The Question that Makes Cowards out of Leftists

[IBDaMann]

A heartbeat does not indicate consciousness.

Irrelevant. You just EVADED the key question. Please let me know when you will resume honest discussion,

I am speaking in the medical sense.

... of hate speeach?

Why ask me a dumb question?

It was a brilliant question. It effectively revealed that you were lying. Apparently there are no Neo-NAZIs on this board, that you were merely hurling slurs ... and you got caught.

[AProudLefty]

Irrelevant. You just EVADED the key question. Please let me know when you will resume honest discussion

No I didn't evade your question. Your question is pretty clear. Again, does a heartbeat indicate consciousness? Yes or no?

... of hate speeach?

You're being incoherent.

It was a brilliant question. It effectively revealed that you were lying. Apparently there are no Neo-NAZIs on this board, that you were merely hurling slurs ... and you got caught

I never said there's Neo-Nazis on this board.

[IBDaMann]

So it doesn't exist because you don't know about it?

Look, we already established that you are a few cards short of a deck so you don't have to feel obligated to demonstrate it unless you want to.

No, the Alt-Right is more than just one issue.

I'm still no further along in understanding what it is. My presumption is that you are pulling it out of your azz because you were told to.

And TDS isn't a thing.

TDS is definitely a thing, just as is your denial of you having it. Too funny.

Nope. The Alt-Right term was coined in 2010.

I'm not buying it. Show me a document from 2011 with the term "alt-right." Until then, your claim is summarily dismissed.

Prove those photos were staged.

Ooops, you used the word "prove." This isn't math. The photos are not theorems.

There are OBVIOUS things to which one can point to realize that those photos are staged by leftists for the benefit of their gullible target audience. However, those with TDS cannot see them.

[IBDaMann]

Only someone with TDS would argue that this is racism. Time hack 30-seconds of this video explains the point thoroughly.

Conclusion: You have TDS-induced delusions. I can't even be sure that you even "saw" the same video I watched.

Do you really believe this stuff or are you just trolling?

You are both unintelligent and uneducated. That must be a rough combination but it sufficiently explains your confusion. Don't blame me for trying to help you.

For others who aren't completely beyond help I would be inclined to remind them that NAZIs were pure Marxist "national socialists" (written into the name) which is thoroughly leftist. The American Nazi Party similarly claims to be "Advancing National Socialism into the Twenty-First Century." That is leftist. However, I am certain that words with more than two syllables are totally lost on you.

Is that everything?

[IBDaMann]

No I didn't evade your question. Your question is pretty clear. Again, does a heartbeat indicate consciousness? Yes or no?

No. A living human with a heartbeat can be either conscious or unconscious. Note: I still fail to see how this is relevant.

I never said there's Neo-Nazis on this board.

I figured it out. We had a miscommunication. When you wrote:

We have Neo-Nazis.

I had been speaking within the context of this board and you were speaking within the context of the US (or so I now believe).

So, I will modify my response. Yes, there are "national socialists" in the US. There is a Socialist Party USA. There is an American Nazi Party. I don't know what a "Neo-Nazi" is but for expediency I'm willing to stipulate that there are a few of them, sure, whatever they are.

[AProudLefty]

No. A living human with a heartbeat can be either conscious or unconscious. Note: I still fail to see how this is relevant.

I know you fail to see it.

After a number of weeks, a fetus develops consciousness. Prior to that, there's nobody home.

I figured it out. We had a miscommunication. When you wrote:


I had been speaking within the context of this board and you were speaking within the context of the US (or so I now believe).

Yeah that's what I meant. Though at least two posters here on this board never identify themselves as Neo-Nazis (as far as I know), they do express similar beliefs.

So, I will modify my response. Yes, there are "national socialists" in the US. There is a Socialist Party USA. There is an American Nazi Party. I don't know what a "Neo-Nazi" is but for expediency I'm willing to stipulate that there are a few of them, sure, whatever they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism

[IBDaMann]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

Thank you. I should have told you earlier, I don't trust Wikipedia and I don't use it; it's not an authoritative source. Wikipedia is awash in errors and political misinformation.

Do you have any authoritative sources for "Alt-Right"?

Again, I apologize for not having mentioned it earlier but it never really came up. I summarily dismiss Wikipedia articles ... also NASA and NOAA references.

From my own research it appears that "alt-right" is a fictitious "common enemy" that leftist leaders leverage to get gullible leftists to rally around them. It sounds an awful lot like how Hugo Chavez used to invoke the evil "United States" whenever he needed to distract attention away from some scandal/unrest/economic downturn and get Venezuelans to rally around him. The term might as well be "Alt-Santa'sElves" because there don't seem to be any actual real members ... it's just a fear-mongering tactic.

[AProudLefty]

Thank you. I should have told you earlier, I don't trust Wikipedia and I don't use it; it's not an authoritative source. Wikipedia is awash in errors and political misinformation.

There's references on the bottom on every Wiki entry. Anyway, what source do you want? There's SPLC and there's Fox News.

From my own research it appears that "alt-right" is a fictitious "common enemy" that leftist leaders leverage to get gullible leftists to rally around them. It sounds an awful lot like how Hugo Chavez used to invoke the evil "United States" whenever he needed to distract attention away from some scandal/unrest/economic downturn and get Venezuelans to rally around him. The term might as well be "Alt-Santa'sElves" because there don't seem to be any actual real members ... it's just a fear-mongering tactic.

But it wasn't the "left" that coined the term, "alt-right". Richard Spencer did.

BTW, it's funny that you don't see the irony because the "rightists" claim that the left is a fictitious "common enemy" and full of Commies.

[IBDaMann]

After a number of weeks, a fetus develops consciousness. Prior to that, there's nobody home.

Irrelevant. The fetus, with its heartbeat, is still a living human. No consciousness is required to be a living human. When a fighter gets choked unconscious in UFC, he does not lose his rights and protections as a living human.

So, if we could get you to answer the question which holds consciousness to be irrelevant ...

Do you claim that a fetus is somehow not a living human?

[AProudLefty]

Irrelevant. The fetus, with its heartbeat, is still a living human. No consciousness is required to be a living human. When a fighter gets choked unconscious in UFC, he does not lose his rights and protections as a living human.

Apparently you're confused as to what consciousness is.

So, if we could get you to answer the question which holds consciousness to be irrelevant ...

Do you claim that a fetus is somehow not a living human?

First you need to define "living human". First few days after fertilization, it's a "living human" according to your definition.

Yep I've seen that image many times.

[StoneByStone]

Only someone with TDS would argue that this is racism. Time hack 30-seconds of this video explains the point thoroughly.

Conclusion: You have TDS-induced delusions. I can't even be sure that you even "saw" the same video I watched.

What exactly is your definition of racism?
I'd imagine most people would say that it's racist to say a person can't do his job because his ancestors were from Mexico.

You are both unintelligent and uneducated. That must be a rough combination but it sufficiently explains your confusion. Don't blame me for trying to help you.

You're resorting to Ad Homs because you know I'm correct. Very typical of the Right.

For others who aren't completely beyond help I would be inclined to remind them that NAZIs were pure Marxist "national socialists" (written into the name) which is thoroughly leftist. The American Nazi Party similarly claims to be "Advancing National Socialism into the Twenty-First Century." That is leftist. However, I am certain that words with more than two syllables are totally lost on you.

Socialism means collective ownership. The Nazis did not create collective ownership in Germany or any of the countries they occupied. Nazi Germany was actually very Capitalist.
Yes, the Nazis called themselves Socialist, but they didn't actually practice Socialism. The North Korean government calls itself Democratic, but that doesn't mean it actually practice Democracy, right?
Saying the Nazis were Marxist is extra wrong, because the Party line was that Marxism was a Jewish conspiracy.

[AProudLefty]

What exactly is your definition of racism?
I'd imagine most people would say that it's racist to say a person can't do his job because his ancestors were from Mexico.



You're resorting to Ad Homs because you know I'm correct. Very typical of the Right.



Socialism means collective ownership. The Nazis did not create collective ownership in Germany or any of the countries they occupied. Nazi Germany was actually very Capitalist.
Yes, the Nazis called themselves Socialist, but they didn't actually practice Socialism. The North Korean government calls itself Democratic, but that doesn't mean it actually practice Democracy, right?
Saying the Nazis were Marxist is extra wrong, because the Party line was that Marxism was a Jewish conspiracy.

Actually they called themselves National Socialists. Big difference.

[IBDaMann]

Anyway, what source do you want? There's SPLC and there's Fox News.

Do they have a website? Is "Alt-Right" an organization? You supposedly know what it is; that will tell you what the authoritative source is. Like I said, I tried looking it up and it appears to be a completely fictitious group ... like when Christians refer to "heathens." It's just supposed to be generally understood that it is a slur ... nothing more ... like "deplorables."

On that note, what's the difference between the "Alt-Right" and Hillary's "Deplorables"? I believe I was a "Deplorable" so should I therefore conclude that I am likely "Alt-Right"?

But it wasn't the "left" that coined the term, "alt-right". Richard Spencer did.

It is irrelevant how the term might have been hijacked and by whom. Karl Marx coined the term "capitalism" and now people who practice sound economics refer to that as "capitalism" without realizing that it is supposed to be a slur.

BTW, it's funny that you don't see the irony because the "rightists" claim that the left is a fictitious "common enemy" and full of Commies.

This doesn't make much sense. What do you assert that "rightists" claim is fictitious?

Otherwise I can't speak for a world of uneducated morons who totally misuse the terms "socialist" and "communist." I use the term "Marxist" to refer to what Marx himself advocated in the Communist Manifesto and in Das Kapital.

[AProudLefty]

Do they have a website? Is "Alt-Right" an organization? You supposedly know what it is; that will tell you what the authoritative source is. Like I said, I tried looking it up and it appears to be a completely fictitious group ... like when Christians refer to "heathens." It's just supposed to be generally understood that it is a slur ... nothing more ... like "deplorables."

I already gave you Stormfront as one of the sites few days ago. Alt-Right is actually a umbrella term for all kinds of racist organizations.

Any word can be a "slur". Doesn't change the origins of those "slurs".

On that note, what's the difference between the "Alt-Right" and Hillary's "Deplorables"? I believe I was a "Deplorable" so should I therefore conclude that I am likely "Alt-Right"?

You are not "Alt-Right". Your posts don't indicate that.

This doesn't make much sense. What do you assert that "rightists" claim is fictitious?

Correct. It doesn't make much sense. Just as your claim that the "leftists" made up the term "Alt-Right" to smear the right.

Otherwise I can't speak for a world of uneducated morons who totally misuse the terms "socialist" and "communist." I use the term "Marxist" to refer to what Marx himself advocated in the Communist Manifesto and in Das Kapital.

Yes I know what he advocated. He was talking about class struggle.

[IBDaMann]

Apparently you're confused as to what consciousness is.

No. I am very conscious of what it is.

First you need to define "living human".

I don't know where you've been but I have clarified that many times in this thread. This is the most recent:

In order to strip out any possible weaseling by ANYBODY and to eliminate any possible "gotchas" ... I was very deliberate with the wording.

Do you believe it should be legal to kill a living human who has committed no crime and who has not expressed any desire to die? How does your answer change if said killing clearly makes some other living human's life more convenient?


Additional clarification:

"Living" is defined by the medical and biological axiom "If there is a heartbeat then there is life" ... thus a brain-dead person with a heartbeat is considered "alive." The first thing any medical professional does is to check for a pulse. No fauna with a heartbeat is ever considered "dead"

"Human" is defined as being of the species Homo Sapiens and is determined by DNA. A human infant is not a puppy ... the DNA establishes this beyond any doubt.

The expression of a desire to die could be the mentioning of suicidal thoughts, a signed DNA, ... whatever.

First few days after fertilization, it's a "living human" according to your definition.

Clearly it does not. You obviously didn't read my clarifications. Until there is a heartbeat then a fetus' status of "living" is very debateable within a medical context. Once there is a heartbeat, there is no longer any debate within a medical context.

Yep I've seen that image many times.

That one? Really? I pulled the first one that came up. Well, now that I think about it, the fact that it is the first to pop up might very well explain why you have seen it many times.

Let's try another. How often have you seen this one?