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    The majority of people who have had his bug have never been diagnosed, so the assertion is clearly not reality based.

    As a reminder current evidence is that depending upon the area of the country 5/6th to 25/26th of the people who have had it have not been counted as COVID cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Everyone who posts here is published, moosebreath. lol

    Here. Refute.

    "In this cohort study including 100 patients recently recovered from COVID-19 identified from a COVID-19 test center, cardiac magnetic resonance imaging revealed cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%), which was independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and the time from the original diagnosis."

    https://jams network.com/journals/ja...rticle/2768916
    Jeezus Christ almighty from your own post:
    . ongoing myocardial inflammation
    Nothing to refute. You really dont understand the difference between inflammation and damage, do you ?
    Yeah and we all have a 4.0 GPA in biology.
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    Most who had severe cases will have serious health issues for the rest of their lives.

    They found blood clots in every organ of the body during autopsies of patients who were hospitalized.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Most who had severe cases will have serious health issues for the rest of their lives.

    They found blood clots in every organ of the body during autopsies of patients who were hospitalized.
    Do you realize you just basically stated that those who died will have serious health issues for the rest of their lives??!!?!?
    Believe me , I don’t come here for serious debate, rather amusement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    Jeezus Christ almighty from your own post: Nothing to refute. You really dont understand the difference between inflammation and damage, do you ?
    Yeah and we all have a 4.0 GPA in biology.
    Okay then, Skippy. Enjoy attending large gatherings, frequenting bars and gyms, and pretending it's no worse than a cold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Most who had severe cases will have serious health issues for the rest of their lives.
    They found blood clots in every organ of the body during autopsies of patients who were hospitalized.
    Even patients who barely have had symptoms are showing signs of heart damage. Moose is a moron. From my link, above:

    "“Our findings demonstrate that participants with a relative paucity of preexisting cardiovascular condition and with mostly home-based recovery had frequent cardiac inflammatory involvement, which was similar to the hospitalized subgroup with regards to severity and extent. Our observations are concordant with early case reports in hospitalized patients showing a frequent presence of late gadolinium enhancement, diffuse inflammatory involvement, and significant rise of troponin T levels.”

    Tropinen is a marker that indicates damage to the cardiac muscle. But don't take my word for it.

    "Troponins are a group of proteins found in skeletal and heart (cardiac) muscle fibers that regulate muscular contraction. Troponin tests measure the level of cardiac-specific troponin in the blood to help detect heart injury.

    "There are three types of troponin proteins: troponin C, troponin T, and troponin I. Troponin C initiates contraction by binding calcium and moves troponin I so that the two proteins that pull the muscle fiber shorter can interact. Troponin T anchors the troponin complex to the muscle fiber structure. There is little or no difference in troponin C between skeletal and cardiac muscle, but the forms of troponin I and troponin T are different. Measuring the amount of cardiac-specific troponin T or troponin I in the blood can help identify individuals who have experienced damage to their heart."

    https://labtestsonline.org/tests/tro...heart%20injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    Do you realize you just basically stated that those who died will have serious health issues for the rest of their lives??!!?!?
    Believe me , I don’t come here for serious debate, rather amusement.
    Those are separated. The second part says those who died in hospitals and were autopsied showed blood clots in many organs.

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    For our Internet experts on COVID, a primer on inflammation and the immune response:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5805548/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Even patients who barely have had symptoms are showing signs of heart damage. Moose is a moron. From my link, above:

    "“Our findings demonstrate that participants with a relative paucity of preexisting cardiovascular condition and with mostly home-based recovery had frequent cardiac inflammatory involvement, which was similar to the hospitalized subgroup with regards to severity and extent. Our observations are concordant with early case reports in hospitalized patients showing a frequent presence of late gadolinium enhancement, diffuse inflammatory involvement, and significant rise of troponin T levels.”

    Tropinen is a marker that indicates damage to the cardiac muscle. But don't take my word for it.

    "Troponins are a group of proteins found in skeletal and heart (cardiac) muscle fibers that regulate muscular contraction. Troponin tests measure the level of cardiac-specific troponin in the blood to help detect heart injury.

    "There are three types of troponin proteins: troponin C, troponin T, and troponin I. Troponin C initiates contraction by binding calcium and moves troponin I so that the two proteins that pull the muscle fiber shorter can interact. Troponin T anchors the troponin complex to the muscle fiber structure. There is little or no difference in troponin C between skeletal and cardiac muscle, but the forms of troponin I and troponin T are different. Measuring the amount of cardiac-specific troponin T or troponin I in the blood can help identify individuals who have experienced damage to their heart."

    https://labtestsonline.org/tests/tro...heart%20injury.
    It would be interesting to know how long into their recovery the tests were administered in regard to heart attacks which is what the article was about.
    Maybe if they had a timeline or something.

    "When a person has a heart attack, levels of cardiac-specific troponins I and T can become elevated in the blood within 3 or 4 hours after injury and may remain elevated for 10 to 14 days."
    https://labtestsonline.org/tests/tro...heart%20injury
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Everyone who posts here is published, moosebreath. lol

    Here. Refute.

    "In this cohort study including 100 patients recently recovered from COVID-19 identified from a COVID-19 test center, cardiac magnetic resonance imaging revealed cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%), which was independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and the time from the original diagnosis."

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2768916
    60% had ongoing myocardial inflammation. Is there any timeline info?
    Looks like 18 patients got past the initial cardiac involvement while 60 had some ongoing inflammation. Is there some info somewhere on those particular
    patients that might show that number getting still lower over time? I understand we'd have to know which ones had the pre-existing issues and fit those
    into the appropriate groups.

    Using one of your sources.....(I know we're talking about Covid here, not a heart attack)
    "When a person has a heart attack, levels of cardiac-specific troponins I and T can become elevated in the blood within 3 or 4 hours after injury and may remain elevated for 10 to 14 days."
    https://labtestsonline.org/tests/tro...heart%20injury
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Those are separated. The second part says those who died in hospitals and were autopsied showed blood clots in many organs.
    I’ll bet an autopsy will also indicate heart and lungs no longer functioning as well as many if not all other organs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    It would be interesting to know how long into their recovery the tests were administered in regard to heart attacks which is what the article was about.
    Maybe if they had a timeline or something.

    "When a person has a heart attack, levels of cardiac-specific troponins I and T can become elevated in the blood within 3 or 4 hours after injury and may remain elevated for 10 to 14 days."
    https://labtestsonline.org/tests/tro...heart%20injury
    Cardiac muscle injury causes increase in tropinen levels. The cause of the injury (bacterial or viral infection, myocardial infarction, blunt force trauma, gunshot wound, etc.) doesn't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Cardiac muscle injury causes increase in tropinen levels. The cause of the injury (bacterial or viral infection, myocardial infarction, blunt force trauma, gunshot wound, etc.) doesn't matter.
    Yeah. I get that. Just was wonderin' bout a time lime on those specific patients.
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