Hermes Thoth (07-26-2020)
Hermes Thoth (07-26-2020)
This isn't an example of Democrats changing their stances with the weather. The truth is, this law was never enforced against non-white people. I doubt it will be now.
And who exactly is AHZ even talking about? If I'm asking for specific examples of people, you can't just say "the Democrats." But AHZ is just a trolly boi, so I expect this from him.
Open borders and reparations were considered fringe, but none of those Democrats, with the exception of Biden and Bernie, really had a stance against them. I do think Bernie knows how bad open borders are, he correctly identified the policy as a "Koch Brothers scheme." And his flip on it now is an example of hypocrisy, but he's been consistent on everything else. So I wouldn't say Bernie believes in nothing, but rather he's willing to fight for a few things he disagrees with so that he can fight for all the things he does agree with. As opposed to Trump who only cares about enriching himself.
And I don't know if I mentioned this last time, but "health coverage for illegals" is pretty broad and none of the Democrats actually went into detail for what they mean. Technically, I'm for health care for illegals in that if a person is rushed to the hospital, and it turns out they're illegal, I don't believe they should be left to die. I think they should be helped, but then deported. Other people would say they should be helped but not deported, and they should get medical help for absolutely anything, like an American citizen. So we don't really know where all of the individual Democrats stand on this.
The idea that police target Blacks has been mainstream for literally decades. Defunding the police also isn't new, there is just a bigger emphasis on this now because Blacks and Browns have more political power than ever before. Basically, these are ideas Democrats already embraced, but now they're being forced to really move their ass on the subject.Second, it's pretty clear that the Democrats have wholeheartedly bought the BLM narrative about cops. They assume there is this massive racism problem with police, when just a few years ago, this stance was also considered fringe. Yet another fringe position that has become mainstream among Democrats is to defund the police. While it is true that some versions of this involve moving funds from police to other social services, plenty of local Democrats have literally pledged to dismantle the police -- Minneapolis being the most prominent example.
I do agree that the Democrats have started sucking up to Blacks and Browns more and it's only going to get worse as America becomes more multiracial. And yeah, maybe some of them don't even believe systemic racism is real. But that's very different from flip-flopping and never doing what you say, like Trump.
Lightbringer (07-26-2020)
Saudade (07-26-2020)
My focus was more on why I find it hard to identify what is actually fringe among Democrats vs. what is mainstream. I suppose Democrats haven't flip-flopped so much as left the door open to go as extreme as possible on various issues. So, again, can we even really identify what is fringe among Democrats, if they're willing to pander to any given identity group?
Fringe is any idea that isn't represented in mainstream politics. And that's something that continually changes. At one point, believing it's ok to have a Catholic president was a fringe left-wing idea.
Today abolishing the police is a fringe idea among both Ancoms and Ancaps. It's not a mainstream idea because it's not being seriously talked about among mainstream Democrats or Republicans.
He's not really wrong. Trump had a few issues and projects that he wanted to pursue. Everything else was and is a transactional relationship with the voters who supported him, like appointing liberal (aka constitutionally conservative, as opposed to illiberal) judges and reversing Obama's foreign policy goals (as well as some of Bush's).
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