Biden is out there! Mr. CLEAN energy!

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BIDEN..."MR.DESTROY THE ECONOMY!""


HIS MOTTO: "REMEMBER SOLYNDRA!!!"

Yep.

[T. A. Gardner]

Hello T. A. Gardner,



Economic justice, sound engineering and social economic planning are all part of building a new clean efficient energy infrastructure.

None of that is. Building a clean, efficient energy infrastructure is based on sound engineering and economics based on cost and efficiency. Social and economic justice as defined by the Left has ZERO to do with that and would result in poor, inefficient, and very costly outcomes. For example, solar is the single biggest failure in policy, engineering, and economics with regard to energy there is at this time.

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FUNNY HOW IT ALWAYS TAKES A DEMOCRAT TO FIX REPUBLICAN FUCK-UPS

DREADFUL post, Bourbon, DREADFUL post.

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Still haven't addressed the (proverbial not political symbol) elephant in the room: Green energy is a massive fail. The New Green Deal is a mishmash of radical Leftist social and economic justice stupidity and dunderheaded wishes based on fantasy rather than sound engineering and economic planning.

Yep!

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We heard the same bullshit from Obama. That was big fail.

Bingo!

[Phantasmal]

Still haven't addressed the (proverbial not political symbol) elephant in the room: Green energy is a massive fail. The New Green Deal is a mishmash of radical Leftist social and economic justice stupidity and dunderheaded wishes based on fantasy rather than sound engineering and economic planning.

It has never been done with any real commitment, till now.

Exxon Mobile is selling several of their office buildings in Houston, workers are working from home more, the building they are keeping, they are turning green. Their plan is to be fully green by 2050.

Exxon Mobile, turning green, they are hardly a Leftist organization.

You need to catch up or be left behind.

[T. A. Gardner]

My favorite is Ecotality, a company here in Phoenix that got $125 million from the Obama administration to install electric battery car charging stations all over the metro Phoenix area. They put in hundreds of these. The company's gross revenue that resulted was less than $5,000 and they went bankrupt. Most of the stations were vandalized, particularly by copper thieves, and are no longer in service. A few remain in service owned by another company.

That's $125 million plus wasted on a project that made nothing in profit. It provided a few people with temporary jobs and resulted in a complete loss of investment, jobs, and infrastructure. But, it was the ideal desired by Obama administration Progressive Leftists based on their wishes and dreams rather than sound engineering and economic analysis.

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

Humanity doesn't get this from the New Green Deal.

Has Biden endorsed the GND? It's a good energy goal, but it seems too aggressive, thus impractical.

Germany's energiewinde program PROVES it relentlessly. Instead, the quality of life for people goes DOWN and you are left with fewer choices and options in how to live and enjoy your life.

If one attempt to do something in one country does not work out as planned it does not mean that different attempts in other nations will not have greater success. If climate change predictions come true billions of people will face fewer choices and options in how to live and enjoy their lives, an that will also impact the economy negatively.

Why? Besides, most of the jobs it creates aren't "clean environmentally positive" ones and it eliminates a broad spectrum of other jobs, most being environmentally neutral. Worse, the eliminated jobs vastly outnumber the ones created in any case.

More green energy jobs have been created recently than dirty polluting jobs that kill humanity long term. We have to be smart and think ahead.

[Sailor]

Hello T. A. Gardner,



Has Biden endorsed the GND? It's a good energy goal, but it seems too aggressive, thus impractical.



If one attempt to do something in one country does not work out as planned it does not mean that different attempts in other nations will not have greater success. If climate change predictions come true billions of people will face fewer choices and options in how to live and enjoy their lives, an that will also impact the economy negatively.



More green energy jobs have been created recently than dirty polluting jobs that kill humanity long term. We have to be smart and think ahead.

This response to T.A. Gardners thread is just, well, plain bullshit. No science, just wishful thinking and yammering. The hallmark of modern day liberals.

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

None of that is. Building a clean, efficient energy infrastructure is based on sound engineering and economics based on cost and efficiency. Social and economic justice as defined by the Left has ZERO to do with that and would result in poor, inefficient, and very costly outcomes. For example, solar is the single biggest failure in policy, engineering, and economics with regard to energy there is at this time.

As the price of solar continues to drop we are seeing more and more people build homes that are completely self-energized and not even connected to the grid. Ever watch "Building Off The Grid" TV show?

Building Off The Grid (wiki)

Episode after episode feature you couples that get a few dollars together, get a parcel of land, put some sweat equity in, and end up with a mortgage-free home they own free and clear. And in almost every case they choose solar energy because it is now possible to have a life without paying utility bills. Many of them site the wonderful feeling they get knowing that they are not contributing to the dirty energy production that currently supplies most of the power on the grid.

Nation after nation across the globe have made goals to reduce the amount of polluting energy it uses and move toward sustainable energy. The fight against this progress is fighting a losing battle.

[T. A. Gardner]

It has never been done with any real commitment, till now.

Exxon Mobile is selling several of their office buildings in Houston, workers are working from home more, the building they are keeping, they are turning green. Their plan is to be fully green by 2050.

Exxon Mobile, turning green, they are hardly a Leftist organization.

You need to catch up or be left behind.

Do you really think they'll stop selling oil and natural gas? And, it doesn't matter if they go "green' in the sense of reducing some emissions like work from home or whatever. Exxon also really doesn't care if the cost of energy per KW is a dime or a dollar, they make a profit either way. It's the customer that gets screwed with higher energy prices.

For example, in Germany natural gas is expensive because of government regulation and mandates. Electricity is a luxury item many can't afford and it is inefficient for heating your home. The new work-around there is the wood stove. People are buying these and burning wood pellets in them. But, to make sufficient wood pellets, German manufacturers have turned to the US and Eastern Europe for the wood to make them out of because of German environmental laws. So, the companies cut down forests in other nations and ship the resulting wood pellets to Germany so people can keep warm because the government has gone "Green."

It's an environmental disaster all the way around.

[T. A. Gardner]

Hello T. A. Gardner,



As the price of solar continues to drop we are seeing more and more people build homes that are completely self-energized and not even connected to the grid. Ever watch "Building Off The Grid" TV show?

Building Off The Grid (wiki)

Episode after episode feature you couples that get a few dollars together, get a parcel of land, put some sweat equity in, and end up with a mortgage-free home they own free and clear. And in almost every case they choose solar energy because it is now possible to have a life without paying utility bills. Many of them site the wonderful feeling they get knowing that they are not contributing to the dirty energy production that currently supplies most of the power on the grid.

Nation after nation across the globe have made goals to reduce the amount of polluting energy it uses and move toward sustainable energy. The fight against this progress is fighting a losing battle.

And, that doesn't work in urban areas. A population density of one house per acre, or less as that show uses simply won't work in a modern industrial society. So, for the few that want to do that, it might be their personal solution. Their personal satisfaction doesn't translate to society as a whole. I won't get into the building code issues, and stupidity that I've seen on that show here. I will say the worst was probably the "bottle island" episode. What a crock that was.

It also doesn't address how a large manufacturer that uses megawatts of power or more continuously will be able to operate.

[T. A. Gardner]

I'll add this: If the price of solar panels was ZERO, it is still less cost effective than other methods of generation. It is that inefficient.

[T. A. Gardner]

Here's a pumped hydro solar project environmentalists hate. It's one proof that solar can be environmentally unfriendly to the max.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ge/3781102002/

[Sailor]

And, that doesn't work in urban areas. A population density of one house per acre, or less as that show uses simply won't work in a modern industrial society. So, for the few that want to do that, it might be their personal solution. Their personal satisfaction doesn't translate to society as a whole. I won't get into the building code issues, and stupidity that I've seen on that show here. I will say the worst was probably the "bottle island" episode. What a crock that was.

It also doesn't address how a large manufacturer that uses megawatts of power or more continuously will be able to operate.

You are very knowledgeable on this. I like it. Not to mention our grid is useless for any hope of feeding any alternative energy back to it. Power density is foreign concept to many people. If they understood it, they would understand why Alternatives are not viable as of right now.