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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Her desperation to make this look like a hoax is sickening, isn't it? I wonder what she would say if someone said "The death toll of Americans in the Vietnam War is fake, no one really knows exactly how many were killed, and that wall with their names on it is a hoax meant to make us feel guilty for being in the war"? That's exactly what she's doing here, trying to minimize the suffering and the deaths -- because they make DeSantis and #COVID45 look culpable. Which they are.

    I bet next time she'll remember to thread-ban me like she usually does on this stupid threads. She hates to be contradicted. If anything, the reported numbers are not showing the true picture of the toll in FL.

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    Um-hmmm. Well we now know the numbers are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Stop posting lies and misinformation. Your desperation to exonerate the Covidiot-in-Chief is palpable, pathetic, and perfidious. Give it up. It just makes you appear to not give a shit about the suffering of others in your state.

    Unless, of course, that's what you intend, in which case carry on.
    what dezinformatsiya?
    did you bother to read the source? these are major discrepanncies -what do you think caused it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    Isn't amazing for someone who claims to be such devout Christian, to be willing to sacafice lives to secure Trump's re-election.
    Yes, I find it abhorrent too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Um-hmmm. Well we now know the numbers are wrong.
    Yes, they are far worse than either you or I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    In other words the numbers reported were skewed. Like the article says. Which is what Stretch posted. Are you a little behind the eight ball here?
    The number of positive cases is not skewed since that was being accurately reported. The number of negative tests was not being reported. The number of negative test has absolutely no effect on the number of positive tests. It is the total number of positive tests that is the cause for concern. If Florida was testing every citizen every day, the increase in the number of positives is still a concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    So the complaint is what? That the number of negative tests is not being reported? It still points to a large spike in the number of people that test positive as Florida has over 12,000 - 15,000 new positive test per day.

    If a lab has 100 positive tests and 900 negative test and only reports the 100 positive tests. How many people with positive tests were reported?
    This doesn't show that the number of positive tests is wrong in Florida. It only shows that the percentage of those testing positive is lower than being reported.
    it's the rate. we are testing like 500k a day (id have to look)
    Large numbers of positives aren't so "large" when put in the perspective of total amounts tested

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    The number of positive cases is not skewed since that was being accurately reported. The number of negative tests was not being reported. The number of negative test has absolutely no effect on the number of positive tests. It is the total number of positive tests that is the cause for concern. If Florida was testing every citizen every day, the increase in the number of positives is still a concern.
    the rate of infection = the percentage of positive tests is what is being reported as well as the raw numbers.
    don't be a dishonest hack . there is a huge difference is 82% positive vs. 8.2 % positive (ex.)
    The first looks like a spike of the entire population, not a spike in just the raw numbers

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    I'm glad our local Fox affiliate does not follow the Fox News Faux News theme.

    We are not crazytown here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Yes, they are far worse than either you or I know.
    True enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    the rate of infection = the percentage of positive tests is what is being reported as well as the raw numbers.
    don't be a dishonest hack . there is a huge difference is 82% positive vs. 8.2 % positive (ex.)
    The first looks like a spike of the entire population, not a spike in just the raw numbers
    Florida is reporting the results from over 950 labs doing testing. No one is looking at the percentages from individual labs other than wonks and news services trying to make a story out of nothing. The important number is the number of new cases.

    An 82% positive test rate at a lab doesn't look like a spike in the population at all since there are so many other labs. All it says is that that lab had a large number of positive tests. Without other information it says nothing. The lab could have been only sent tests from one hospital that is only testing people on ventilators. Or as in these cases the lab hasn't been reporting negative tests. It has been known for at least a couple of weeks that testing labs haven't been consistently reporting negative test results. The CDC has issued guidelines to try to get them to be more consistent.

    The most important figure is the number of new cases per day. That is what shows the trend. When the number of cases per day doubles from last week and is 3 times what it was 3 weeks ago that shows a pretty obvious trend. By not reporting the negative cases the labs are actually doing more to hide the trend since failing to report the negatives they are only showing that the number of cases is increasing because the number of tests is increasing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    People don't die the day they get it. They die 2-3 weeks after they get it. The true numbers won't be known until the pandemic is under control.

    Until then, we can look at places that have seen a reduction in cases because it is only after people have recovered that you can compare deaths to cases to get an accurate number.
    The news just keeps getting worse.

    "The long-term effects of COVID-19, even on people who suffered a mild infection, could be far worse than was originally anticipated, according to researchers and doctors in northern Italy.

    "Psychosis, insomnia, kidney disease, spinal infections, strokes, chronic tiredness and mobility issues are being identified in former coronavirus patients in Lombardy, the worst-affected region in the country.

    "The doctors warn that some victims may never recover from the illness and that all age groups are vulnerable."

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ought-12027348
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    it's the rate. we are testing like 500k a day (id have to look)
    Large numbers of positives aren't so "large" when put in the perspective of total amounts tested
    They are large when put in the perspective of other states. The most new cases per day in NY was under 12,000 so when Florida is seeing 15,000 new cases in a day, that is "large." Florida has a similar population size to NY. Some of the increase over NY numbers could be because Florida is doing more daily testing than NY. Even if Florida is testing at 3 times the rate NY was that would still be similar to 5,000 new cases a day in NY which is high no matter how you try to twist it. You also have to remember that a negative test today doesn't prevent that person from becoming infected tomorrow.

    If Florida continues gaining cases at over 10,000 per day it will surpass the number of cases in NY by the end of July. Even if the death rate is 1/3 of NY that would still mean over 10,000 deaths by the end of August. With over 130 deaths today in Florida, they could easily have 6,000 deaths in 45 days.
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