Herd Immunity is bullshit, and here's the MS Gov to explain why...

[/MSG/]

That's not what I'm arguing at all. I'm arguing for keeping a strong immune system, practicing proper distancing, and using masks/sanitizer.

I live with someone who tested positive. She had severe head cold symptoms for 3 days.

I never got sick. Could be my immune system. Could be I have a natural immunity. I know I tested negative. Haven't done the antibody test, because I don't believe they are accurate yet

Don't worry, you'll get it at some point. Maybe it won't be si bad. Wasn't for me. Probably won't be bad for me until I'm 60. But ya never know, maybe on the 20th infection it'll be bad.

[Althea]

Yeah, I did. You cannot physically lock every single human being on the planet in isolation for 6 or 90 months. Even if everyone would go along with it, you still have practical concerns. People have to eat. Water has to pump. Electricity has to be provided. So SOME people will have to go outside, and they will get infected eventually. And continue to reinfect other people they come in contact with as a necessity of living. So it'll just keep spreading, slower, but still spreading. Oh, and it can pass between humans and animals. So even if you somehow managed to stop all human infection (which you can't) then it'll just come from animal contact in a month or two.

Why do you ignore the obvious fact that masks/sanitizer work?

You MUST allow the virus to enter your body. Even if you have it on your hands, soap and water destroys it. So does alcohol.

Keep from inhaling it, and you are good to go.

[dukkha]

Immunity to flu is short lived as well, it’s why we get flu shots every year.
Flu viruses continually change over time. This constant changing enables the virus to evade the immune system, so that people are susceptible to the flu throughout life. This process works as follows: a person infected with a flu virus develops antibodies against that virus; as the virus changes, the "older" antibodies no longer recognizes the "newer" virus, and the person gets sick. The older antibodies can, however, provide partial protection against newer viruses.

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/q...une-to-the-flu

The older antibodies can, however, provide partial protection against newer viruses.

exactly. glad you brought that up
Which was the point abut the seroantibodies ( T-calls whatever) dwindling after clearing the infection
it still has a residual effect.
Like other infectual diseases as well that once exposed you dont get them again.

Corona seems to be highly infectuous, but not particularly lethal.
you get it and you are good to go unless the immune system itself is compromised

[Althea]

I never got one until I got cancer, now I get them regularly.

I'm guessing your immune system isn't what it used to be now.

[Althea]

Everyone is at risk eventually.

Agree. Same goes for the common cold. How do people avoid that?

[ThatOwlWoman]

Given that there is no vaccine for the common cold, many believe there won't be one for this either.
I think Earlvanca is the one who will offer some ridiculous blog post as evidence.

Let 'er rip; I have both of the impotent groaners on ignore.

I suspect that once this has passed, if/when it does, we are going to have a major, major health crisis on our hands. Hundreds of thousands are going to be disabled, many permanently, and unable to do their customary activities, including work. They will be a drain on the health care sector as well as the welfare system. I expect that we'll see a sudden national desire for a single-payer health care system -- even from our RW friends.

Italy's experience with those who have recovered:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ought-12027348

[/MSG/]

Why do you ignore the obvious fact that masks/sanitizer work?

You MUST allow the virus to enter your body. Even if you have it on your hands, soap and water destroys it. So does alcohol.

Keep from inhaling it, and you are good to go.

So, masks forever? Ok.

[Phantasmal]

exactly. glad you brought that up
Which was the point abut the seroantibodies ( T-calls whatever) dwindling after clearing the infection
it still has a residual effect.
Like other infectual diseases as well that once exposed you dont get them again.

Corona seems to be highly infectuous, but not particularly lethal.
you get it and you are good to go unless the immune system itself is compromised

It’s been lethal to 130,000 people, you aren’t very empathetic. It’s disgusting. There will also be many people who suffer long term health issues.

[/MSG/]

Agree. Same goes for the common cold. How do people avoid that?

They don't? Are you dumb?

[dukkha]

Everyone is at risk eventually.

true and shutdowns lock downs dont stop it you cant out run it
Isolate the vulnerable and move on with your life ( and take hydroxychloroquine at first symptom)

[Phantasmal]

I'm guessing your immune system isn't what it used to be now.

I’m not taking any chances. I think it’s fine, but better safe than sorry.

[dukkha]

It’s been lethal to 130,000 people, you aren’t very empathetic. It’s disgusting. There will also be many people who suffer long term health issues.

Im empathetic. my religion Tibetian Buddhism is BASED on compassion
( compassion is called the straight line to enlightenment)

But I'm also realistic -and CORONA isn't a superbug -it's just a NOVEL virus

What Does "Novel" Coronavirus Mean?
https://www.brgeneral.org/healthy-li...navirus-mean-/
The virus isn’t necessarily more powerful than other viruses when it enters the human body, but we have no pre-existing defenses since our bodies don’t immediately recognize it as a dangerous intruder.

[LV426]

true and shutdowns lock downs dont stop it you cant out run it

Except that they do work, they've worked in other countries, and they can work here...you just want Americans to die because you're not an American and your job is to sow division on the internet.

Isolate the vulnerable and move on with your life ( and take hydroxychloroquine at first symptom)

So...put them in nursing homes? This is your great idea?

What if you're one of those who has to be isolated?

[Into the Night]

So all those Conservatives who have shifted goalposts now to the "herd immunity" talking point are in for a wild surprise, according to the GOP governor of MS:

"Let’s talk about herd immunity. I’ve listened to some people argue that the rapid spread of cases is a good thing, and we need to reach herd immunity in Mississippi and elsewhere to survive. I’m not a health care expert by any means, but I am a math guy. And I have thoughts:

The experts say we need 70-80% of the population to get COVID-19 to achieve herd immunity. Let’s assume they’re wrong (it’s certainly possible, they have been before.) Let’s assume they’re being way overly cautious and we actually only need 40% infection for herd immunity.

In Mississippi, our population is 3 million. We’ve had 36,680 cases so far. We’d need 1.2 MILLION infections to achieve that hypothetical 40% threshold. (Remember, experts say it’s double that.)

Over the last two weeks, our hospital system has started to become stressed to the point of pain. We are seeing the early signs and effects of it becoming overwhelmed. We had to suspend elective surgeries again.

On our worst day of new cases, we had just over 1,000. It has typically been between 700-900 during this most aggressive time. To get to 40% infections, we’d need 3,187 new cases every day for a full year from today. We would need to TRIPLE our worst day—every day—for a year.

I’m not one of these guys that immediately dismisses any idea that challenges the expert status quo talking points. I’m pretty skeptical by nature. That’s healthy. But herd immunity is not anything like a realistic solution in the short or mid-term. I wish it was.

Unless you’re willing to go without hospitals after a car wreck or heart attack, we need a different approach. Right now, despite mixed messages at the beginning, it seems like masks are the best bet. They’re a hell of a lot better than widespread shut downs. Please wear one!"

Stealing the arguments of others as your own again, eh? Did you know the Gov of Mississippi is not here to have a conversation with?

Now, since you obviously agree with this governor, a few points against his argument:

First of all, he is not a math guy. He is a politician. He is also denying mathematics (details follow).
He is making use of a void reference with these so-called 'experts'. That's a false authority fallacy. The use of 'experts' here is also a buzzword fallacy.
He is also making a Pascal's Wager fallacy.
He is making a false equivalence fallacy in comparing reported cases to all cases. This is also a compositional error involving people as the class. Bigotry.
He also seems to enjoy manufacturing random numbers and using them as data. That is also a fallacy. It is also a math error.
He is also making the false equivalence of infections to immunity. They are not the same thing.
Covid does not affect trauma centers or the beds used by them.
Masks do not stop a virus. His insistence on wearing one is junk science. See the N95 specification.

Try to think for yourself. Using the arguments of others as your own doesn't fly.

[LV426]

Im empathetic. my religion Tibetian Buddhism is BASED on compassion

You're no buddhist, you're just playing pretend on JPP.