Herd Immunity is bullshit, and here's the MS Gov to explain why...

[dukkha]

He is assuming case numbers are an accurate reflection of how many individuals in the population have had COVID.

I don’t know of a single seroprevalence study that doesn’t conclude that the number of people with COVID antibodies exceeds the number of cases by a significant factor.

Go low and say it’s only a factor of X3. Multiply the number of cases picked up by swab tests X3 and you have a more accurate estimate of how many people in the population may be immune to COVID.

Go high, and it’s start to get interesting pretty quick. In fact, it’s entirely plausible that NYC has gone quiet because they are approaching herd immunity. Same with Sweden. Sweden was supposed to be a basket case by now, remember?

Well, their numbers have dropped off dramatically. It’s likely Sweden paid a hefty cost but they made it to herd immunity. I’ve been bitching for months about serum antibody testing. If we can get the same degree of caterwauling over antibody testing as we do masks and swab tests we might get an idea of how far we have to go.

you are far too logical for the fearmongers

[dukkha]

You're so fucking stupid. ICUs are already at 95%, but we need to get more people infected.

dolt. herd immunity stops ICU beds.
Putin is displeased your American dumbness might be infecting the rest of the sane people here

[LV426]

He is assuming case numbers are an accurate reflection of how many individuals in the population have had COVID..

Well, there's no way to know for sure without mass testing.

Now remind me, who is it who is against testing because it will reveal new cases? Oh right, Trump.

You are assuming 1.2M people already have COVID in MS. That is your stupid assumption based on nothing.

[Trumpet]

dolt. herd immunity stops ICU beds.
Putin is displeased your American dumbness might be infecting the rest of the sane people here

OMG, now there's a brilliant post.

[BartenderElite]

They're starting to report out of Europe that immunity may only last a month or 2.

How does that one play into the whole "herd immunity" thing that everyone is counting on so much?

[LV426]

I don’t know of a single seroprevalence study that doesn’t conclude that the number of people with COVID antibodies exceeds the number of cases by a significant factor.

That's because no such studies exist, nor will they in time for your attempt to get Trump re-elected.

Plus, studies show COVID antibodies are only effective for a limited period of time.

Immunity to the coronavirus may last only a few months, UK study finds
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/14/immu...-uk-study.html

Everything you believe is utter trash.

[LV426]

Go low and say it’s only a factor of X3. Multiply the number of cases picked up by swab tests X3 and you have a more accurate estimate of how many people in the population may be immune to COVID.

ANTIBODIES ARE NOT PERMANENT IMMUNITY YOU FUCKING IDIOT

Coronavirus antibodies start to fade away just weeks after people show symptoms, a new study by UK scientists showed.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...e-weeks-2020-7

[LV426]

Go high, and it’s start to get interesting pretty quick. In fact, it’s entirely plausible that NYC has gone quiet because they are approaching herd immunity. Same with Sweden. Sweden was supposed to be a basket case by now, remember?

NY is quiet because they mandate masks and continue to shelter-in-place for most things.

You're a fucking idiot.

[Cancel 2020.2]

He is assuming case numbers are an accurate reflection of how many individuals in the population have had COVID.

I don’t know of a single seroprevalence study that doesn’t conclude that the number of people with COVID antibodies exceeds the number of cases by a significant factor.

Go low and say it’s only a factor of X3. Multiply the number of cases picked up by swab tests X3 and you have a more accurate estimate of how many people in the population may be immune to COVID.

Go high, and it’s start to get interesting pretty quick. In fact, it’s entirely plausible that NYC has gone quiet because they are approaching herd immunity. Same with Sweden. Sweden was supposed to be a basket case by now, remember?

Well, their numbers have dropped off dramatically. It’s likely Sweden paid a hefty cost but they made it to herd immunity. I’ve been bitching for months about serum antibody testing. If we can get the same degree of caterwauling over antibody testing as we do masks and swab tests we might get an idea of how far we have to go.

VERY good point, Darth.

[LV426]

Well, their numbers have dropped off dramatically. It’s likely Sweden paid a hefty cost but they made it to herd immunity.\

1. NY's #'s dropped fast because they locked down and mandated masks, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

2. Sweden isn't anywhere close to herd immunity, and Sweden is the worst affected European nation (except for the UK).

Lack of Lockdown Increased COVID-19 Deaths in Sweden
https://newsroom.uvahealth.com/2020/...ths-in-sweden/

^That is from July 3rd.

[BartenderElite]

NY is quiet because they mandate masks and continue to shelter-in-place for most things.

You're a fucking idiot.

Any success stories have to be attributable only to those things that those on the right support or have supported.

[LV426]

dolt. herd immunity stops ICU beds.

No, it increases the demand for ICU beds because now you're spreading the disease to everyone. That's how ICU beds get overwhlemed, baby killer.

[Micawber]

They're starting to report out of Europe that immunity may only last a month or 2.

How does that one play into the whole "herd immunity" thing that everyone is counting on so much?

Sad due to our leadership vacuum by agent orange we must derive information from another continent.

[domer76]

So all those Conservatives who have shifted goalposts now to the "herd immunity" talking point are in for a wild surprise, according to the GOP governor of MS:

"Let’s talk about herd immunity. I’ve listened to some people argue that the rapid spread of cases is a good thing, and we need to reach herd immunity in Mississippi and elsewhere to survive. I’m not a health care expert by any means, but I am a math guy. And I have thoughts:

The experts say we need 70-80% of the population to get COVID-19 to achieve herd immunity. Let’s assume they’re wrong (it’s certainly possible, they have been before.) Let’s assume they’re being way overly cautious and we actually only need 40% infection for herd immunity.

In Mississippi, our population is 3 million. We’ve had 36,680 cases so far. We’d need 1.2 MILLION infections to achieve that hypothetical 40% threshold. (Remember, experts say it’s double that.)

Over the last two weeks, our hospital system has started to become stressed to the point of pain. We are seeing the early signs and effects of it becoming overwhelmed. We had to suspend elective surgeries again.

On our worst day of new cases, we had just over 1,000. It has typically been between 700-900 during this most aggressive time. To get to 40% infections, we’d need 3,187 new cases every day for a full year from today. We would need to TRIPLE our worst day—every day—for a year.

I’m not one of these guys that immediately dismisses any idea that challenges the expert status quo talking points. I’m pretty skeptical by nature. That’s healthy. But herd immunity is not anything like a realistic solution in the short or mid-term. I wish it was.

Unless you’re willing to go without hospitals after a car wreck or heart attack, we need a different approach. Right now, despite mixed messages at the beginning, it seems like masks are the best bet. They’re a hell of a lot better than widespread shut downs. Please wear one!"

With this virus, there may be no such thing as herd immunity. There are indications that the antibodies may only last a few weeks.

[LV426]

Putin is displeased your American dumbness might be infecting the rest of the sane people here

????

You want to infect all the people in the US because you stupidly think herd immunity exists for this thing, when a study out of the UK says antibodies only last a few weeks.