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    Werewolf South China Sea dispute: China's pursuit of resources 'unlawful', says US

    Glad to see the USA has finally decided to take on this issue of chinese piracy in the south china sea.........



    The countries have wrangled over territory in the South China Sea for centuries, but tension has steadily increased in recent years.

    Beijing claims an area known as the "nine-dash line" and has backed its claim with island-building and patrols, expanding its military presence there.

    Although largely uninhabited, two island chains in the area may have reserves of natural resources around them. The sea is also a shipping route and has major fishing grounds.

    In a statement on Monday, Mr Pompeo denounced China's claims on the disputed Spratly Islands in the South China Sea, saying Beijing had "no legal grounds to unilaterally impose its will on the region".


    He said the US, which has previously said it does not take sides in territorial disputes, rejected Beijing's claims to waters off Vietnam, Malaysia and Indonesia.

    "Any [People's Republic of China] action to harass other states' fishing or hydrocarbon development in these waters - or to carry out such activities unilaterally - is unlawful," he said.

    "The world will not allow Beijing to treat the South China Sea as its maritime empire."
    Significant risks with seemingly insignificant islands



    Before now, the US had not taken sides on territorial disputes in the South China Sea.


    Four years after an international tribunal in The Hague ruled that China's claims in the region have no legal basis, the US has for the first time officially made its stance clear. But why now?


    Last week, China and the US held naval exercises in the area at the same time - a rare phenomenon indicating rising tensions.

    In the bigger context, the Trump administration has pledged to overturn what it says is 40 years of policy failure with regard to China. Washington has recently criticised Beijing on issues ranging from its handling of the coronavirus pandemic, to human rights violations against Muslim minorities in Xinjiang and how it has dealt with pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong.

    But it was China's land reclamation projects in the South China Sea that prompted the rest of the world to reassess Beijing's international ambitions
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    And the stakes in the region are incredibly high. In these seemingly insignificant island chains and reefs, there are growing risks of military conflict between the world's two most powerful countries.

    Mr Pompeo said the US stood "with our South-East Asian allies and partners in protecting their sovereign rights to offshore resources," adding that this position was "consistent with their rights and obligations under international law".



    The sea, home to vital shipping lanes, has in recent years become a flashpoint for tensions between China and other nations which claim sovereignty over two largely uninhabited island chains, the Paracels and the Spratlys.

    China claims the largest portion of territory, saying its rights go back centuries. The area is rich for fishing and is thought to have abundant oil and gas reserves.


    The US has long been critical of what it says is China's militarisation of the region and routinely angers Beijing with "freedom of navigation" missions.

    In August 2018, a BBC team flew over the disputed South China Sea islands in a US military plane. In a radio communication, the pilots were warned to leave the area "immediately" in order to "avoid any misunderstanding".

    Months earlier, China landed bombers in the disputed territory to take part in drills on islands and reefs.

    China has previously accused the US Navy of provocation and interference in regional matters.
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Jul 12 2016
    https://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/12/tens...rt-ruling.html
    judges at an arbitration tribunal in The Hague on Tuesday rejected China’s claims to economic rights across large swathes of the South China Sea in a ruling that will be claimed as a victory by the Philippines.

    “There was no legal basis for China to claim historic rights to resources within the sea areas falling within the ‘nine-dash line’,” the court said, referring to a demarcation line on a 1947 map of the sea, which is rich in energy, mineral and fishing resources.

    In the 497-page ruling, judges also found that Chinese law enforcement patrols had risked colliding with Philippine fishing vessels in parts of the sea and caused irreparable damage to coral reefs with construction work.

    China, which boycotted the case brought by the Philippines, has said it will not be bound by any ruling.
    In reaction, China said: “The arbitration tribunal made the illegal and invalid so-called final verdict on the South China Sea dispute on July 12. Regarding this issue, China has made the statement for many times that it is against the international law that the Aquino III administration of Philippines unilaterally requested the arbitration. The arbitration tribunal has no jurisdiction on this matter.”

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    my comments >so what's new?
    not much i can see except it's the 4th anniversary of China thumbing it's nose at the Hague. nothing changes as far as I can see

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    That is the china we all know....

    They will not change that attitude either.......

    Unfortunately it may lead to a military conflict.......
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    That is the china we all know....

    They will not change that attitude either.......

    Unfortunately it may lead to a military conflict.......
    what's the saying "nothing is off the table?"
    It could very well flare up -especially now that China is putting artillery on some dredge islands

    South China Sea: China placing mobile artillery on reclaimed island, US says
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-...a/6508448?nw=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    what's the saying "nothing is off the table?"
    It could very well flare up -especially now that China is putting artillery on some dredge islands

    South China Sea: China placing mobile artillery on reclaimed island, US says
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-...a/6508448?nw=0
    IMHO the navy can take them out quick but I know they have something up their sleeve, although I have no idea what..
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    IMHO the navy can take them out quick but I know they have something up their sleeve, although I have no idea what..
    I wonder if any of the islands have a permanent deployment of personnel on them?

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    Not sure what you mean by perm, but they have aircraft hangers, someone must be there..
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    IMHO the navy can take them out quick but I know they have something up their sleeve, although I have no idea what..
    The U.S. let Russia get away with taking the Crimea. China probably figures it can do the same.

    The ling game may be that China is taking them as a negotiating chip. One that they will return if certain economic, or other, concessions are given in a future agreement.
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    Idk, last I saw the Chinese gunned down some Viet soldiers with a Vulcan that were standing on a sandbar.
    I think this is somewhat it:


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    The US Navy has had berthing facilities in Da Nang for several years, ask yourself why that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    The U.S. let Russia get away with taking the Crimea. China probably figures it can do the same.

    The ling game may be that China is taking them as a negotiating chip. One that they will return if certain economic, or other, concessions are given in a future agreement.
    The US was powerless to stop the annexation of Crimea.Maybe if we would not have causes a police riot during the Euromaidan..which led to a new regime which led to the threatening of the Russia lease @ Sevastopol..
    we fucked that up and now are in a proxy war for our efforts as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    That is the china we all know....

    They will not change that attitude either.......

    Unfortunately it may lead to a military conflict.......
    Possibly. Certainly little incidents, but probably not war. War is bad for business even though wars throughout history are usually over resources or geography.

    China is the 400 lb Panda in the Western Pacific. All developing nations need resources. China, being the largest in the region needs the most and they are doing their best to force smaller nations to concede to China. Really not much different than what Microsoft or any other monopoly did to smaller companies in the past.

    IMO, this is just more reason to develop fusion and space mining. Both those technologies will negate the need for such Earthly disputes. Hopefully the tech will be ready for use before we either poison our nest or wipe out much of humanity in the competition for resources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    The US was powerless to stop the annexation of Crimea.Maybe if we would not have causes a police riot during the Euromaidan..which led to a new regime which led to the threatening of the Russia lease @ Sevastopol..
    we fucked that up and now are in a proxy war for our efforts as well
    Nyet, comrade dukkha. That's like saying you are powerless to stop a neighbor shooting up the street. If you have a gun and the will to do, you have the power albeit at risk to yourself. The problem was that the US didn't consider stopping Russia over Crimea to be worth the risk of a major war. Simply supporting the Ukrainians against Russian hegemony was the best alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Nyet, comrade dukkha. That's like saying you are powerless to stop a neighbor shooting up the street. If you have a gun and the will to do, you have the power albeit at risk to yourself. The problem was that the US didn't consider stopping Russia over Crimea to be worth the risk of a major war. Simply supporting the Ukrainians against Russian hegemony was the best alternative.
    stick to pictures and dont post where you are clueless.

    #1 we wern't even 100% sure those Little Green Men were Russian.
    We were fairly sure. but you don't go to war over "fairly sure"

    and in no way was it our war even if we knew. Crimea is historic Russian with a Russian majority.
    It's language and culture ties are much closer to Russian then Kyiv.

    Poroshenko threatened not to renew the lease at Sevastopol -forced Putin's hand to secure access
    for his Black Sea Fleet

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    stick to pictures and dont post where you are clueless.
    Nyet, comrade dukkha. Stick to your shithole country and leave Americans alone....before you end up regretting your continued interference.
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