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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Nyet, comrade dukkha. Stick to your shithole country and leave Americans alone....before you end up regretting your continued interference.
    WTF?
    is that some kind of threat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    WTF?
    is that some kind of threat?
    I swore an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. All foreigners who attack the United States can consider me to be a threat. Feel free to report me for honoring my oath, cocksucker.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    I swore an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. All foreigners who attack the United States can consider me to be a threat. Feel free to report me for honoring my oath, cocksucker.
    HA HA HA.
    delusional . this is a message board, it's virtual -not even real, I wont even dignify the rest of your dumbness

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    HA HA HA.
    delusional . this is a message board, it's virtual -not even real, I wont even dignify the rest of your dumbness
    The vast majority of posts prove you live in a virtual "not even real" world. Enjoy your virtual reality, cocksucker. In fact, feel free to choke on the next foreign cock you suck.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    The vast majority of posts prove you live in a virtual "not even real" world. Enjoy your virtual reality, cocksucker. In fact, feel free to choke on the next foreign cock you suck.
    ha ha ha.
    what a doofus - you cant even come up with anything original. just frothing madness.

    you post dumb shit like "Russian hegemony" -not understanding Crimea or the annexation
    and then you flip out when corrected with threats, go mow the lawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    The U.S. let Russia get away with taking the Crimea. China probably figures it can do the same.

    The ling game may be that China is taking them as a negotiating chip. One that they will return if certain economic, or other, concessions are given in a future agreement.
    Good point, I have considered this but Taiwan also considers much of it as theirs......

    Neither has any valid claims what so ever......

    Although I don't agree how Russia did it, that has historically been part of Russia...... Nikita gave it to Ukraine as a gift........ Hopefully the two brothers can kiss & make up someday.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Idk, last I saw the Chinese gunned down some Viet soldiers with a Vulcan that were standing on a sandbar.
    I think this is somewhat it:

    That bullying may be coming to an end.....

    The Chinese have historically pushed them around, but got their asses handed to them when then invaded the North in support of their blood sucking tyrant in Cambodia......... I guess that was their petty pay back??
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Grajonca View Post
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    The US Navy has had berthing facilities in Da Nang for several years, ask yourself why that is.
    They have done joint military exercises as well....

    About a week and a half ago- US, Vietnam rip China for military drills in disputed waters

    By Bob Fredericks

    July 3, 2020 | 1:45pm | Updated


    Looks like no more soft pretend power propaganda.. The cheap silk gloves are coming off for some hardball....

    Xi is feeling his oats, as they say......


    The US, Vietnam and the Philippines have ripped China for provocative military drills in the disputed waters of the South China Sea.


    China is in the midst of five days of drills that began Wednesday near the Paracel Islands, a disputed archipelago that is also claimed by Vietnam, the South China Morning Post reported Friday.

    China calls the Paracels the Xisha Islands, while Vietnam refers to them as the Hoang Sa Islands, and the two sides engaged in a naval battle in 1974 over the islands that resulted in China claiming ownership.

    “The military exercises are the latest in a long string of PRC [People’s Republic of China] actions to assert unlawful maritime claims and disadvantage its Southeast Asian neighbors in the South China Sea,” the US Defense Department said in a statement.

    “The PRC’s actions stand in contrast to its pledge to not militarize the South China Sea and the United States’ vision of a free and open Indo-Pacific region, in which all nations, large and small, are secure in their sovereignty, free from coercion, and able to pursue economic growth consistent with accepted international rules and norms,” the statement continued.

    The US called on China to “reduce its militarization and coercion of its neighbors in the South China Sea.”

    The US criticisms came as Beijing and Washington were trading barbs over a wide range of issues relating to Taiwan and new, Beijing-imposed national security legislation in Hong Kong.

    Zhao Lijian, the Chinese foreign ministry spokesman, claimed Friday that the Paracel Islands were undisputed Chinese territory and that the People’s Liberation Army drills in the waters were within its sovereignty.

    “Some country outside the region often comes all the way to hold massive military activities to flex its muscles, and that is the rooted reason that affects the stability in the South China Sea,” said Zhao, apparently referring to the US, which conducts drills in the region with South Korea and other allies.

    On Thursday, the US Pacific Fleet said the littoral combat ship USS Gabrielle Giffords was conducting routine operations in the South China Sea.

    Vietnam and the Philippines also slammed China’s military drill, the outlet reported.

    Philippine Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said China’s exercises near the Paracel Islands were “highly provocative,” while Vietnam’s foreign ministry called them a violation of sovereignty that could harm Beijing’s relationship with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

    The Vietnamese ministry sent a diplomatic note to China to oppose the exercises that “seriously violate Vietnam’s sovereignty,” spokeswoman Le Thi Thu Hang said.

    The drills “further complicate the situation, and are detrimental to the relationship between China and [the association],” she said.

    The South China Sea Strategic Situation Probing Initiative, a think tank linked to Peking University, said Friday that 692 Vietnamese fishing vessels had “intruded” into China’s waters in the South China Sea, up from 569 in May.
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Littoral Combat Ship (LCS)
    https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/littoral/


    The littoral combat ship (LCS) is a new family of surface ships for the US Navy. The LCS is a fast, highly manoeuvrable, networked surface combat ship, which is a specialised variant of the family of US future surface combat ships known as DD(X).

    LCS is designed to meet the urgent requirement for shallow-draft vessels to operate in the littoral (coastal waters) to counter growing potential ‘asymmetric’ threats of coastal mines, quiet diesel submarines and the potential to carry explosives and terrorists on small, fast, armed boats.

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    10ft full load displacement draft allows the ships to access very shallow waters. Ships will have a top speed of 50k and the range at sprint speed is 1,500nm. At an economical speed of 20k, the range is 4,300nm

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    10ft full load displacement draft allows the ships to access very shallow waters. Ships will have a top speed of 50k and the range at sprint speed is 1,500nm. At an economical speed of 20k, the range is 4,300nm
    Are you referencing taking some of the islands??

    You know our good friends in Taiwan think they belong to them as well?? What, if anything should be done about it??
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    There are things the US can do to rein in China here. Whether they do it or not, is another question.

    I'm working on an article for the US Naval Institute Proceedings arguing that the US should bring back coast defense. Most of the nations of SE Asia could implement these as a deterrent to Chinese expansion by using existing territory to project power to seaward up to roughly 200 NM, possibly more from shore using extant technologies in sensors and missiles that would pose a serious threat to China trying to oppose them.

    Advantages to the US: The nations in the region can implement them at reasonably low costs. China can't make any legal objection to them. They can object, but it won't fly in some international court. The US can provide the technology and it is "defensive" in nature. For example, Japan could close the Sea of Japan in the event of a war to transit to any and all enemy shipping from land bases within their territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    There are things the US can do to rein in China here. Whether they do it or not, is another question.

    I'm working on an article for the US Naval Institute Proceedings arguing that the US should bring back coast defense. Most of the nations of SE Asia could implement these as a deterrent to Chinese expansion by using existing territory to project power to seaward up to roughly 200 NM, possibly more from shore using extant technologies in sensors and missiles that would pose a serious threat to China trying to oppose them.

    Advantages to the US: The nations in the region can implement them at reasonably low costs. China can't make any legal objection to them. They can object, but it won't fly in some international court. The US can provide the technology and it is "defensive" in nature. For example, Japan could close the Sea of Japan in the event of a war to transit to any and all enemy shipping from land bases within their territory.
    You know china has already attacked ships & even small fishing boats in the waters they falsely claim?

    IMHO that is a good idea but china would see it as provocation & act accordingly-so they would need to prepared for that & economic blackmail as well........

    Some of that 200nl limit is already claimed/encroached upon by china I believe.....

    One other aspect to consider is if the surrounding nations do this, up to that line~ the imaginary undefined dashes, are they not doing a de-facto establishment/acknowledgement the Chinese claims? I think China would attempt to claim as much.. They could possibly claim this as validating their claimed bullshit dots & dashes??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Are you referencing taking some of the islands??

    You know our good friends in Taiwan think they belong to them as well?? What, if anything should be done about it??
    A red line needs to be drawn and not like an Obama red line either. China wants to take back Taiwan, that's their big prize. Here is one of the biggest reasons, control of TSMC would give them a stranglehold over the West!

    https://www.techpowerup.com/265798/h...m-tsmc-to-smic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Glad to see the USA has finally decided to take on this issue of chinese piracy in the south china sea.........



    The countries have wrangled over territory in the South China Sea for centuries, but tension has steadily increased in recent years.

    Beijing claims an area known as the "nine-dash line" and has backed its claim with island-building and patrols, expanding its military presence there.

    Although largely uninhabited, two island chains in the area may have reserves of natural resources around them. The sea is also a shipping route and has major fishing grounds.

    In a statement on Monday, Mr Pompeo denounced China's claims on the disputed Spratly Islands in the South China Sea, saying Beijing had "no legal grounds to unilaterally impose its will on the region".


    He said the US, which has previously said it does not take sides in territorial disputes, rejected Beijing's claims to waters off Vietnam, Malaysia and Indonesia.

    "Any [People's Republic of China] action to harass other states' fishing or hydrocarbon development in these waters - or to carry out such activities unilaterally - is unlawful," he said.

    "The world will not allow Beijing to treat the South China Sea as its maritime empire."
    Significant risks with seemingly insignificant islands



    Before now, the US had not taken sides on territorial disputes in the South China Sea.


    Four years after an international tribunal in The Hague ruled that China's claims in the region have no legal basis, the US has for the first time officially made its stance clear. But why now?


    Last week, China and the US held naval exercises in the area at the same time - a rare phenomenon indicating rising tensions.

    In the bigger context, the Trump administration has pledged to overturn what it says is 40 years of policy failure with regard to China. Washington has recently criticised Beijing on issues ranging from its handling of the coronavirus pandemic, to human rights violations against Muslim minorities in Xinjiang and how it has dealt with pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong.

    But it was China's land reclamation projects in the South China Sea that prompted the rest of the world to reassess Beijing's international ambitions
    .

    And the stakes in the region are incredibly high. In these seemingly insignificant island chains and reefs, there are growing risks of military conflict between the world's two most powerful countries.

    Mr Pompeo said the US stood "with our South-East Asian allies and partners in protecting their sovereign rights to offshore resources," adding that this position was "consistent with their rights and obligations under international law".



    The sea, home to vital shipping lanes, has in recent years become a flashpoint for tensions between China and other nations which claim sovereignty over two largely uninhabited island chains, the Paracels and the Spratlys.

    China claims the largest portion of territory, saying its rights go back centuries. The area is rich for fishing and is thought to have abundant oil and gas reserves.


    The US has long been critical of what it says is China's militarisation of the region and routinely angers Beijing with "freedom of navigation" missions.

    In August 2018, a BBC team flew over the disputed South China Sea islands in a US military plane. In a radio communication, the pilots were warned to leave the area "immediately" in order to "avoid any misunderstanding".

    Months earlier, China landed bombers in the disputed territory to take part in drills on islands and reefs.

    China has previously accused the US Navy of provocation and interference in regional matters.
    And looks like China is getting ready to dig a canal right across Thailand

    The Thai Canal – The proposed canal across the Isthmus of Kra in Southern Thailand

    The canal has been given serious reconsideration by China, which considers the route as part of the 21st century maritime Silk Road.

    Having access to this shortcut between the Indian and Pacific oceans fits in with the String of Pearls strategy, where China is establishing civilian maritime infrastructure around the Indian Ocean rim.

    The Kra Canal would be comparable in size with the Suez and Panama canals. The Suez Canal is 192 km and the Panama Canal is 77 km, and the preferred route of the Kra Canal is 128 km.

    https://livinginasia.co/thai-canal/
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