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    Default 5.4 million Americans lost health insurance in the pandemic, more than have ever lost

    The study, to be released Tuesday by the nonpartisan consumer advocacy group Families U.S.A., found that the estimated increase in uninsured laid-off workers over the three-month period was nearly 40 percent higher than the highest previous increase, which occurred during the recession of 2008 and 2009, when 3.9 million adults lost insurance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    The study, to be released Tuesday by the nonpartisan consumer advocacy group Families U.S.A., found that the estimated increase in uninsured laid-off workers over the three-month period was nearly 40 percent higher than the highest previous increase, which occurred during the recession of 2008 and 2009, when 3.9 million adults lost insurance.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/w...92e353baeffd2a
    Damn. Looks like Obamacare failed again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Damn. Looks like Obamacare failed again.
    Again? More like continues to be a massive failure since it was never really successful to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Again? More like continues to be a massive failure since it was never really successful to begin with.
    I think many, myself included, would not agree with you. I was very happy to be able to get insurance, I’m a cancer survivor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    I think many, myself included, would not agree with you. I was very happy to be able to get insurance, I’m a cancer survivor.
    Anecdote is not evidence. Obamacare covers roughly the same number of people with individual policies now that had them before it was enacted. Given that most people get their health insurance through an employer, that didn't change. The 18 - 34 year old healthy individual market was wiped out by Obamacare allowing those 18 to 26 (50% of that market by age) to stay on their parent's plans. The only real increase in insured under Obamacare happened with expanded Medicaid.

    Interestingly for me, the wife got Social Security disability (has this nervous disorder that makes her hands and face shake / twitch) and was given Medicare coverage. That has made more problems for us than when we just had BC/BS health insurance. Now she has to get referrals often times when she didn't before. There's been issues with Medicare accepting this or rejecting that then BC/BS saying that it should have been covered and us having to fight one or the other over billings.

    Obamacare and that tax penalty thing was another mess I'm glad is gone.

    If Obamacare disappeared tomorrow I doubt many would be unhappy to see it go. We can and should do better on this subject and the best start would be to get the government out of the health insurance business as much as we can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Anecdote is not evidence. Obamacare covers roughly the same number of people with individual policies now that had them before it was enacted. Given that most people get their health insurance through an employer, that didn't change. The 18 - 34 year old healthy individual market was wiped out by Obamacare allowing those 18 to 26 (50% of that market by age) to stay on their parent's plans. The only real increase in insured under Obamacare happened with expanded Medicaid.

    Interestingly for me, the wife got Social Security disability (has this nervous disorder that makes her hands and face shake / twitch) and was given Medicare coverage. That has made more problems for us than when we just had BC/BS health insurance. Now she has to get referrals often times when she didn't before. There's been issues with Medicare accepting this or rejecting that then BC/BS saying that it should have been covered and us having to fight one or the other over billings.

    Obamacare and that tax penalty thing was another mess I'm glad is gone.

    If Obamacare disappeared tomorrow I doubt many would be unhappy to see it go. We can and should do better on this subject and the best start would be to get the government out of the health insurance business as much as we can.
    Anecdotal works in this case because I am a user of the ACA. You are speculating that it’s a failure, presenting no evidence that it’s a failure, except your opinion.
    52% approve of the ACA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Anecdotal works in this case because I am a user of the ACA. You are speculating that it’s a failure, presenting no evidence that it’s a failure, except your opinion.
    52% approve of the ACA.
    It still never insured the 33 million of the poorest people in this country that needed it most. The whole reason for it supposedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Anecdotal works in this case because I am a user of the ACA. You are speculating that it’s a failure, presenting no evidence that it’s a failure, except your opinion.
    52% approve of the ACA.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...ndidate-agrees

    https://www.atr.org/six-years-obamac...failed-deliver

    https://www.investors.com/politics/e...ent-insurance/

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/7-...ans-2016-03-24

    It doesn't matter where you go for information, at every turn Obamacare is characterized as a failure. Even sites friendly to the Democrats can't spin it into a success. All they can do is try to mitigate the disaster it is. Even Democrat friendly sites like the WaPo are now claiming the way to "fix" Obamacare is expand it to "Medicare for all."

    The fix, in my opinion, is less government more market involvement in paying for health care. Where government is needed is forcing the stupid. lazy, and irresponsible to be the opposite of what they are but not through a wholly government run program like Medicare where they can continue to be stupid, lazy, and irresponsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...ndidate-agrees

    https://www.atr.org/six-years-obamac...failed-deliver

    https://www.investors.com/politics/e...ent-insurance/

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/7-...ans-2016-03-24

    It doesn't matter where you go for information, at every turn Obamacare is characterized as a failure. Even sites friendly to the Democrats can't spin it into a success. All they can do is try to mitigate the disaster it is. Even Democrat friendly sites like the WaPo are now claiming the way to "fix" Obamacare is expand it to "Medicare for all."

    The fix, in my opinion, is less government more market involvement in paying for health care. Where government is needed is forcing the stupid. lazy, and irresponsible to be the opposite of what they are but not through a wholly government run program like Medicare where they can continue to be stupid, lazy, and irresponsible.
    Medicare is very successful. The ideal program insurance would be Medicare for all.
    Interesting all your articles have a conservative slant, I’ll pass on reading them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Anecdotal works in this case because I am a user of the ACA. You are speculating that it’s a failure, presenting no evidence that it’s a failure, except your opinion.
    52% approve of the ACA.
    We certainly do. That's where Mr. Owl buys his insurance until he's old enough for Medicare.

    We're letting the TrumpChumps derail the OP again. They have already shown how little they care about the uninsured. I guess they might learn to care when their private insurance premiums double or triple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Damn. Looks like Obamacare failed again.
    Popeye you've been a total failure since you hatched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    It still never insured the 33 million of the poorest people in this country that needed it most. The whole reason for it supposedly.
    really. Here are the facts. You are wrong again.https://www.urban.org/sites/default/...-they-live.pdf It breaks the newly covered down quite well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    The study, to be released Tuesday by the nonpartisan consumer advocacy group Families U.S.A., found that the estimated increase in uninsured laid-off workers over the three-month period was nearly 40 percent higher than the highest previous increase, which occurred during the recession of 2008 and 2009, when 3.9 million adults lost insurance.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/w...92e353baeffd2a
    Thats what happens when u shut things down ..stupid goddam POS trash

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Anecdotal works in this case because I am a user of the ACA. You are speculating that it’s a failure, presenting no evidence that it’s a failure, except your opinion.
    52% approve of the ACA.
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