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    Default Mason and Madison on pardon power.

    George Mason: "The president ought not to have the power of pardoning b/c he may pardon crimes advised by himself."

    John Madison's reply: "If the President be connected in any suspicious manner w/ any person & there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House can impeach him."
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    44 U.S.C. 2202 - The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.


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    We have rules that other presidents respected. They sensed that they should not go too far. Trump does what he wants. He sees the while government as a loophole he can take advantage of. The government is not about the people. It is about Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    George Mason: "The president ought not to have the power of pardoning b/c he may pardon crimes advised by himself."

    John Madison's reply: "If the President be connected in any suspicious manner w/ any person & there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House can impeach him."
    Damn those far-left commie haters of all things American!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    George Mason: "The president ought not to have the power of pardoning b/c he may pardon crimes advised by himself."

    John Madison's reply: "If the President be connected in any suspicious manner w/ any person & there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House can impeach him."
    You retard; what crime was Stone connected to? Good lord, you give new meaning to triggered lunatic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Damn those far-left commie haters of all things American!
    Absurdity; a sure sign of the last desperate refuge for liars, fools and ignorance; and those who have lost their arguments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Absurdity; a sure sign of the last desperate refuge for liars, fools and ignorance; and those who have lost their arguments.
    Actually, I was making fun of the things people like you are going to say.
    Of course I agree with the quotes. I'm not a Fascist like you.

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    There will be a Post-Trump cleanup of legislative changes required to prevent future presidents to abuse executive privilege.

    Thanks to Donald Trump's abusing executive privilege to conduct crimes in the Oval Office, some of those executive privileges must now be removed.to prevent any more Constitutional crisis.

    Look for the pardon privilege to be history! Gone- Wiped off the face of the earth!

    Seems our forefathers had no idea someone so sleezy, someone so slimy, someone so sinister like Donald Trump, would ever be voted into office in the first place.

    But to allow a sinister president a loophole, where he could just dangle a pardon out in front of a witness to the crimes of the president, use it as a bribe, to encourage the witness to lie under oath to Congress or the Justice department, was a complete oversight by the forefathers.

    And even though there is really no law on the books that says a president cannot be indicted or prosecuted for federal crimes, and since the Justice department has created a statute of it's own to not indict or prosecute a sitting president anyway, that Justice Department crazytown statute will be eliminated.

    Yes, from now on a sitting president will be subject to indictment and prosecution. Future presidents will no longer be allowed to have a get-out-of-jail-free card just because they are the president.

    And I also look for some kind of change in the privilege of firing and hiring justice department officials by a president. The privilege of hiring your own crony to be the Attorney General and use him/her to coverup your crimes and go after your political adversaries will no longer be possible.

    So this will force changes in the Senate. In order for a Justice Department official to be fired or hired, it must first meet the approval of BOTH branches of Congress- THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.

    These changes will be made immediately following Trump's defeat from office and with a new Senate leader and president in place.

    You better believe the Democrats will resolve these issues that have caused all of these Constitutional Crisis's created by the sleezebag president Donald TRUMP!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    , the House can impeach him."
    ha ha ha.
    get on that!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    ha ha ha.
    get on that!!
    At the present time we have a bunch of enabling Republicans in the Senate, I’m feeling like that might be about to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Actually, I was making fun of the things people like you are going to say.
    Of course I agree with the quotes. I'm not a Fascist like you.
    There you go lying again. I don't think you can post without lying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    There you go lying again. I don't think you can post without lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    There will be a Post-Trump cleanup of legislative changes required to prevent future presidents to abuse executive privilege.

    Thanks to Donald Trump's abusing executive privilege to conduct crimes in the Oval Office, some of those executive privileges must now be removed.to prevent any more Constitutional crisis.

    Look for the pardon privilege to be history! Gone- Wiped off the face of the earth!

    Seems our forefathers had no idea someone so sleezy, someone so slimy, someone so sinister like Donald Trump, would ever be voted into office in the first place.

    But to allow a sinister president a loophole, where he could just dangle a pardon out in front of a witness to the crimes of the president, use it as a bribe, to encourage the witness to lie under oath to Congress or the Justice department, was a complete oversight by the forefathers.

    And even though there is really no law on the books that says a president cannot be indicted or prosecuted for federal crimes, and since the Justice department has created a statute of it's own to not indict or prosecute a sitting president anyway, that Justice Department crazytown statute will be eliminated.

    Yes, from now on a sitting president will be subject to indictment and prosecution. Future presidents will no longer be allowed to have a get-out-of-jail-free card just because they are the president.

    And I also look for some kind of change in the privilege of firing and hiring justice department officials by a president. The privilege of hiring your own crony to be the Attorney General and use him/her to coverup your crimes and go after your political adversaries will no longer be possible.

    So this will force changes in the Senate. In order for a Justice Department official to be fired or hired, it must first meet the approval of BOTH branches of Congress- THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.

    These changes will be made immediately following Trump's defeat from office and with a new Senate leader and president in place.

    You better believe the Democrats will resolve these issues that have caused all of these Constitutional Crisis's created by the sleezebag president Donald TRUMP!
    I pretty sure that in order to implement the Fascistic agenda of the Democratic Party of the Jackass, they will first have to win elections.

    Lastly, the removal of Presidential pardon power will require a change to Article II, sec.2 of the Constitution. I doubt that will EVER happen. But hey, you're a leftist who is too stupid to do any research and instead, parrot the stu0pidity you hear from the PHONY media and loony leftist liars like Schiff and Pelosi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    ha ha ha.
    get on that!!
    The lunatic stupidity that erupts on the left is mind boggling.

    Idiots like Pelosi and Adam Schiff are the face of that stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    At the present time we have a bunch of enabling Republicans in the Senate, I’m feeling like that might be about to change.
    Is that a prediction? You think that Democrats will take over congress AND the White House?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You retard; what crime was Stone connected to? Good lord, you give new meaning to triggered lunatic.
    I do believe Stone was found guilty of seven felonies, a prosecution that even your man billy barr judged as fair and proper

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