Has the left shown that we should repeal the 1st Amendment?

[Saudade]

You need to read up on the French Revolution.

I have. That resulted in the Reign of Terror -- also not very democratic.

[AProudLefty]

I have. That resulted in the Reign of Terror -- also not very democratic.

At that time, the left is against monarchy. The right is for monarchy.

[Saudade]

At that time, the left is against monarchy. The right is for monarchy.

Sure, but they went for lynch mobs instead -- not much of an improvement.

[AProudLefty]

Sure, but they went for lynch mobs instead -- not much of an improvement.

Citation needed.

[Saudade]

Citation needed.

The Reign of Terror was the lynch mob.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror

Look, history repeats itself a lot. Many left wing movements might have good cause for revolts, but they tend to result in a whole lot of bloodshed and worse authorities than their predecessors.

The American Revolution was an anomaly. We got lucky that the Founding Fathers weren't typical revolutionaries. They actually did support the concept of limited government more than most.

[AProudLefty]

The Reign of Terror was the lynch mob.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror

Look, history repeats itself a lot. Many left wing movements might have good cause for revolts, but they tend to result in a whole lot of bloodshed and worse authorities than their predecessors.

The American Revolution was an anomaly. We got lucky that the Founding Fathers weren't typical revolutionaries. They actually did support the concept of limited government more than most.

I guess guillotine wasn't a thing.

Know what is funny? The British caused so much bloodshed in the name of their King.

So who were the "left" and the "right" at that time?

[Saudade]

I guess guillotine wasn't a thing.

lol ok you got me on that one

Know what is funny? The British caused so much bloodshed in the name of their King.

So who were the "left" and the "right" at that time?

The Founding Fathers would have been left. Granted, Classical Liberals are quite different from Progressive Liberals.

[AProudLefty]

lol ok you got me on that one



The Founding Fathers would have been left. Granted, Classical Liberals are quite different from Progressive Liberals.

I think the SJW nutjobs can go fuck themselves. You can say that I am a classical liberal but even those posters wouldn't believe me.

[Saudade]

I think the SJW nutjobs can go fuck themselves. You can say that I am a classical liberal but even those posters wouldn't believe me.

I believe you. It's consistent with your previous posts. I think it's part of why I get along better with you than a lot of other people on the left.

What's funny is that I actually liked Bernie somewhat in 2015 and early 2016. I didn't agree with many of his policies, but I liked his focus on corporate corruption. He reminded me of what the Democrats used to be like in their focus on labor issues and fighting corporatism. Somewhere around 2012, the SJW stuff really escalated. Bernie seemed to resist most of it at first, but then BLM started hijacking his rallies. He eventually caved to it, but I guess he didn't have much choice. They would have called him an old racist white guy otherwise.

[AProudLefty]

I believe you. It's consistent with your previous posts. I think it's part of why I get along better with you than a lot of other people on the left.

What's funny is that I actually liked Bernie somewhat in 2015 and early 2016. I didn't agree with many of his policies, but I liked his focus on corporate corruption. He reminded me of what the Democrats used to be like in their focus on labor issues and fighting corporatism. Somewhere around 2012, the SJW stuff really escalated. Bernie seemed to resist most of it at first, but then BLM started hijacking his rallies. He eventually caved to it, but I guess he didn't have much choice. They would have called him an old racist white guy otherwise.

I named you as one of my favorite posters in this thread.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...s-on-this-site

[Hawkeye10]

A: No, of course not....The solution to bad speech is better speech...the solution to bad ideas is better ideas along side of having wise and decent citizens.

One upon a time when America was better most people learned this along the way somewhere.

NO MORE

[StoneByStone]

If democracy is left wing, then how come the governments that have been born out of the most left wing movements have largely been dictatorships? (Soviet Union, Maoist China, Khmer Rouge, North Korea, etc.)

Because those governments were founded by opportunistic tyrants, not Leftists.

During the Russian Provisional Government, they took a vote as to what kind of government they wanted Russia to have. The Liberals, who were in the majority, voted for a Liberal Democracy. The reason that didn't happen is because the Bolsheviks violently took over the government and enforced a dictatorship. So the Soviet Union was not born out of a left-wing movement, it was the result of tyrants who hijacked a left-wing movement. And it's not like there was even an effort by the Bolsheviks to have collective ownership.
And after this happened, Leftists were the main critics of the USSR government. Unlike the Right, Leftists don't support Authoritarianism when it gives them some of what they want.

[NiftyNiblick]

I'm tempted to argue that the left, lacking any virtue or morality to speak of, has made the case for why the 1st Amendment can no longer be viable in a God-fearing society.

The left seeks a society that is too enlightened to be "God-fearing," as should everybody.

But the First Amendment is not our problem.
The Tenth Amendment is what prevents us from being a REAL nation.

Right now, we're just an uneasy alliance of fifty separate states, sophisticated blue ones trying with no success to co-exist with uncivilized, socially regressive red ones.

[MarcusA]

The left seeks a society that is too enlightened to be "God-fearing," as should everybody.

Such a thing is nonsense and merely evidence of the unenlightened left and its bestial ways. Enlightenment, of course only comes from God; to suggest otherwise mere denial.

The only 2 types of fear, is the regressive and bestial fear which the left and its decadent rabble wallow in due to their own immorality, materialism, and bestiality; having no concept of anything which is good, true and beautiful.

So of course, the left's notion of "fear" is fear of being told that it is abominable to murder, to rape, to be addicted to pornography, to educate in the manner of an enlightened and godly ruler or philosopher king.

The only "true" fear, of course, is fear of losing the light of God, and being cast into the darkness - since the left wallows in the darkness and fears the light much as a vampire does, only an enlightened and Godly ruler or philospher king can guide them into the light, akin to a flock of sheep in need of a shephard.

But the First Amendment is not our problem.
The Tenth Amendment is what prevents us from being a REAL nation.

Yes and no.

If a 1-party right-wing nationalist was established as the only option, then the 10th Amendment would be unnecessary, as it would simply a means for the degenerate left to subvert their natural and enlightened rulers in favor of their savage and bestial ways, unbecoming of a man or a woman, but rather a feral dog with no concept of "humanity" to speak of to begin with, and therefore no "pretense" of having any rights at all but what come out of the barrel of a gun.

Right now, we're just an uneasy alliance of fifty separate states, sophisticated blue ones trying with no success to co-exist with uncivilized, socially regressive red ones.

How malformed this is to the point of satire. Only one who knows not even a high schooler's understanding of "civilziation" could postulate something so ignorant.

All modern nations and states are "civilized"; the era of "civilization" allegedly began in the fertile crescent thousands of years ago.

So ultimately, there are only 2 types of civilization - a degenerate, savage, and bestial one governed by degeneracy, savagery and vice (the type of state which a left-wing sub-human would salivate over, as did the denizens of Sodom and Gomorrah) - or a civilization ruled and governed by virtue, God, and enlightenment; only the 2nd kind is desirable, while the former kind should be destroyed by any means necessary.

[NiftyNiblick]

So ultimately, there are only 2 types of civilization - a degenerate, savage, and bestial one governed by degeneracy, savagery and vice (the type of state which a left-wing sub-human would salivate over, as did the denizens of Sodom and Gomorrah) - or a civilization ruled and governed by virtue, God, and enlightenment; only the 2nd kind is desirable, while the former kind should be destroyed by any means necessary.

MarcusA, every keystroke from your keyboard is a blatant waste of bandwidth. Between your politically regressive perversions and your moronic religious superstitions, you serve no useful purpose to humanity.
Only a harmful one. The end of your era is clearly imminent, not to mention profoundly necessary.

The only question is whether your kind troglodyte, a clearly sub-human group both intellectually and morally, has left America salvageable or not. Only time will tell.