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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    So you think that El Trumpo is ready to kiss his ass goodbye ?

    i doubt the military would follow any wartime orders from ass snot

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Dutch Uncle,

    Venezuela
    You know that would blow up in his face faster than the COVID "fake virus" and "disinfectant" fiascos.
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    The only likely war that may occur before November is a civil war. One started by both sides extremist views in this country. They both keep feeding that fire. You all better stop wishing for things. Sometimes they come true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    We are moving massive naval and ground assets into the SE Asia theater as we speak including the rehabit of Subic Bay
    That's been going on for years due to China and the South China Sea disputes. There will be some shoving and saber rattling, but nobody wants war; it's bad for business. Trump lost a billion bucks on the COVID shutdown (something he could have prevented) and he'll lose even more with a war. People won't want to travel or go to hotels.

    https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-...outh-china-sea
    The United States has also stepped up its military activity and naval presence in the region in recent years, including freedom of navigation operations (FONOPs) in January and March 2018. In a speech during his November 2017 visit to Southeast Asia, President Donald J. Trump emphasized the importance of such operations, and of ensuring free and open access to the South China Sea. Since May 2017, the United States has conducted six FONOPs in the region.

    Background

    China’s sweeping claims of sovereignty over the sea—and the sea’s estimated 11 billion barrels of untapped oil and 190 trillion cubic feet of natural gas—have antagonized competing claimants Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan, and Vietnam. As early as the 1970s, countries began to claim islands and various zones in the South China Sea, such as the Spratly Islands, which possess rich natural resources and fishing areas.

    China maintains [PDF] that, under international law, foreign militaries are not able to conduct intelligence-gathering activities, such as reconnaissance flights, in its exclusive economic zone (EEZ). According to the United States, claimant countries, under UN Convention of the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), should have freedom of navigation through EEZs in the sea and are not required to notify claimants of military activities. In July 2016, the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague issued its ruling on a claim brought against China by the Philippines under UNCLOS, ruling in favor of the Philippines on almost every count. While China is a signatory to the treaty, which established the tribunal, it refuses to accept the court’s authority.

    In recent years, satellite imagery has shown China’s increased efforts to reclaim land in the South China Sea by physically increasing the size of islands or creating new islands altogether. In addition to piling sand onto existing reefs, China has constructed ports, military installations, and airstrips—particularly in the Paracel and Spratly Islands, where it has twenty and seven outposts, respectively. China has militarized Woody Island by deploying fighter jets, cruise missiles, and a radar system.

    To protect its political, security, and economic interests in the region, the United States has challenged China’s assertive territorial claims and land reclamation efforts by conducting FONOPs and bolstering support for Southeast Asian partners. Also in response to China’s assertive presence in the disputed territory, Japan has sold military ships and equipment to the Philippines and Vietnam in order to improve their maritime security capacity and to deter Chinese aggression.

    Concerns
    The United States, which maintains important interests in ensuring freedom of navigation and securing sea lines of communication (SLOCs), has expressed support for an agreement on a binding code of conduct and other confidence-building measures. China’s claims threaten SLOCs, which are important maritime passages that facilitate trade and the movement of naval forces.

    The United States has a role in preventing military escalation resulting from the territorial dispute. Washington’s defense treaty with Manila could draw the United States into a potential China-Philippines conflict over the substantial natural gas deposits or lucrative fishing grounds in disputed territory. The failure of Chinese and Southeast Asian leaders to resolve the disputes by diplomatic means could also undermine international laws governing maritime disputes and encourage destabilizing arms buildups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Hmmm. Well since you want a triumvirate, why not the tried and true axis of evil? He could go full tilt birds away like Dr Strangelove on Iran Iraq and North Korea at once.
    "How Trump lost the election and learned to love the Bomb"
    ....and go directly from Trump Tower to Trump Trailer Village. Such a war would cost him money and there's nothing Trump loves more than money.
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    We don't know what happened after that . "

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post



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    I like Jimmy Carter, but he was weak President...like Obama. Too "touchy-feely".

    Saying the US has been constantly at war is a LW meme; complete bullshit too. Carter is also wrong about China since, using Jimmy's standards, China has been a war with India, Tibet and their own people for over 50 years. Anyone who holds up China as a paragon of peace and prosperity is a fucking moron.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ublic_of_China

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-V...9%E2%80%931991


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    That's been going on for years due to China and the South China Sea disputes. There will be some shoving and saber rattling, but nobody wants war; it's bad for business. Trump lost a billion bucks on the COVID shutdown (something he could have prevented) and he'll lose even more with a war. People won't want to travel or go to hotels.

    https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-...outh-china-sea
    The United States has also stepped up its military activity and naval presence in the region in recent years, including freedom of navigation operations (FONOPs) in January and March 2018. In a speech during his November 2017 visit to Southeast Asia, President Donald J. Trump emphasized the importance of such operations, and of ensuring free and open access to the South China Sea. Since May 2017, the United States has conducted six FONOPs in the region.

    Background

    China’s sweeping claims of sovereignty over the sea—and the sea’s estimated 11 billion barrels of untapped oil and 190 trillion cubic feet of natural gas—have antagonized competing claimants Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan, and Vietnam. As early as the 1970s, countries began to claim islands and various zones in the South China Sea, such as the Spratly Islands, which possess rich natural resources and fishing areas.

    China maintains [PDF] that, under international law, foreign militaries are not able to conduct intelligence-gathering activities, such as reconnaissance flights, in its exclusive economic zone (EEZ). According to the United States, claimant countries, under UN Convention of the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), should have freedom of navigation through EEZs in the sea and are not required to notify claimants of military activities. In July 2016, the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague issued its ruling on a claim brought against China by the Philippines under UNCLOS, ruling in favor of the Philippines on almost every count. While China is a signatory to the treaty, which established the tribunal, it refuses to accept the court’s authority.

    In recent years, satellite imagery has shown China’s increased efforts to reclaim land in the South China Sea by physically increasing the size of islands or creating new islands altogether. In addition to piling sand onto existing reefs, China has constructed ports, military installations, and airstrips—particularly in the Paracel and Spratly Islands, where it has twenty and seven outposts, respectively. China has militarized Woody Island by deploying fighter jets, cruise missiles, and a radar system.

    To protect its political, security, and economic interests in the region, the United States has challenged China’s assertive territorial claims and land reclamation efforts by conducting FONOPs and bolstering support for Southeast Asian partners. Also in response to China’s assertive presence in the disputed territory, Japan has sold military ships and equipment to the Philippines and Vietnam in order to improve their maritime security capacity and to deter Chinese aggression.

    Concerns
    The United States, which maintains important interests in ensuring freedom of navigation and securing sea lines of communication (SLOCs), has expressed support for an agreement on a binding code of conduct and other confidence-building measures. China’s claims threaten SLOCs, which are important maritime passages that facilitate trade and the movement of naval forces.

    The United States has a role in preventing military escalation resulting from the territorial dispute. Washington’s defense treaty with Manila could draw the United States into a potential China-Philippines conflict over the substantial natural gas deposits or lucrative fishing grounds in disputed territory. The failure of Chinese and Southeast Asian leaders to resolve the disputes by diplomatic means could also undermine international laws governing maritime disputes and encourage destabilizing arms buildups.

    you need to catch up

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    you need to catch up
    You need to drop the LW Meme bullshit about "constant war" and get a fucking grip on reality. When Democrats keep spouting the same type of bullshit Trump does, just with a LW spin, intelligent, sane people won't trust Democrats anymore than they will Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    You need to drop the LW Meme bullshit about "constant war" and get a fucking grip on reality. When Democrats keep spouting the same type of bullshit Trump does, just with a LW spin, intelligent, sane people won't trust Democrats anymore than they will Trump.

    doesnt change the fact that asg is ramping up SE Asia much more so lately

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    doesnt change the fact that asg is ramping up SE Asia much more so lately
    I have no idea who "asg" is and the South China Sea has been a contentious issue for years. Why don't you fault China for ripping off its neighbors? Why are you constantly attacking the United States, but not China?
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    Demmycunts declared war on the US in November, 2016.....
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    I have no idea who "asg" is and the South China Sea has been a contentious issue for years. Why don't you fault China for ripping off its neighbors? Why are you constantly attacking the United States, but not China?
    I didnt attack the US, you are making shit up. Stop using meth this early you just embarrass yourself. Chinas aggression has nothing to do with this topic. asg is common usage on this forum so again you arent keeping up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Carter is an idiot who refuses to recognize the extent of Chinese soft power.
    Coupled with their increased reach of the Navy -and of course Tibet -
    while building dredge islands in the 9 dash zone


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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    I didnt attack the US, you are making shit up. Stop using meth this early you just embarrass yourself. Chinas aggression has nothing to do with this topic. asg is common usage on this forum so again you arent keeping up.
    You're the LWL claiming the US is at constant war yet you ignore China's actions against its neighbors for your entire 20something lifetime. Why are you so pro-China and anti-American?

    You are free to use whatever little codes you like as is anyone else; BTW, I ASG'd your Mom in the BOA then she IRT'd right on the TGU. It was AFA!
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