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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Well it seemed to end up just like everyone said it would......... FAIL!!! sorry, but it is.......

    You can blame everyone but trump, but he is the president, not bolton or any of the others blame is hoisted upon..
    ROFL. my god man no POTUS has been able to crack NK
    Clinton gave away the store and Obama treated it with benign neglect of "strategic patience"

    Trump got the existential threat of ICBMs stopped, and it didnt cost anything.. is that a fail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    like what??
    the TPP is trash. What we need to do is to continue to confront China, and try to LEAD.

    Biden will go into a turtle shell and cede Chinese hegemony -yet all you ever do is blame Trump.
    Trump was smart enough to recognize the TPP and the WTO are failures.
    You are talking about something else.... I am talking about 5g.........
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    No WE have not-trump has, he is the president, & we only have one @ a time in this country....

    paper tiger, so will trump be taking hostages to insure his great deals are not cheated on by the commies???

    No, he will have his papers he & you believe is going to force the commies to play by your rules........

    Not happening, they have & will continue to play by their own rules.

    YOU WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE PRETTY DAMN CLEAR BY NOW...............
    If China doesn't follow the bilateral, the enforcement mechanisms would kick in - and they have teeth.
    not a WTO paper tiger
    No idea wtf you mean by "taking hostages".

    NATO is more "beefed up" then ever, and the Cold War 2 started by Obama's State dept is alive and well.

    Of course you could always count on Beijing Biden to step up and confront China

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    SOme ppl seem to take issue w/ that ancient term, but IMHO it best describes what the ccp is doing & probably a big part of an approach to out compete the communist entities..

    Innovation is key..... By the time it's stolen, it is already been improved upon.. IMHO this is an area we can & should compete & production brought home where ever possible.......

    It may already be to late, I dunno..........
    Yeah. No shit.
    If the US was in a 'Military War' with China, everyone would support a 'Government' effort to beat the Chinese. Using a 'Centralized Command' and total commitment for Victory.
    Presently ... we are in an 'Economic War' with China. Most Americans seem UNAWARE of this.
    No matter how often someone points this out, there doesn't seem much of a commitment to do anything about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    You are talking about something else.... I am talking about 5g.........
    the problem is most of the chips are manufactured in China -we have been allowing China to steal our IP and manufacture our critical infrastructure. there is all kinds of issues in play , check this out for many

    UK Huawei decision part of wider strategic tensions with China
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53366301

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    ROFL. my god man no POTUS has been able to crack NK
    Clinton gave away the store and Obama treated it with benign neglect of "strategic patience"

    Trump got the existential threat of ICBMs stopped, and it didnt cost anything.. is that a fail?
    LOL, nice spin on it....

    No they didn't crack it, nor did they waste their time & the prestige of the USA in trying to do so......... Note the difference there.....

    He got promises from a lying two bit dictator that sends rockets over Japan whenever he feels like it.... I am sure ppl in Japan are wondering where all that Yankee protection is @??

    Didn't cost anything & he got what he paid for.
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    LOL, nice spin on it....

    No they didn't crack it, nor did they waste their time & the prestige of the USA in trying to do so......... Note the difference there.....

    He got promises from a lying two bit dictator that sends rockets over Japan whenever he feels like it.... I am sure ppl in Japan are wondering where all that Yankee protection is @??

    Didn't cost anything & he got what he paid for.
    what "prestige?" can kim spend prestige? can kim eat prestige?
    it's meaningless -something a neocon like Kristol/George Will would come up with

    NEWSFLASH: Kim was doing all that -Obama even warned Trump NK was the biggest problem he faced.
    Trump took the initiative and we got the ICBMS stopped if not the ballistics. i.e. no more sirens in Hawaii

    I think you should contemplate "the perfect is the enemy of the good" when it comes to NK

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    If China doesn't follow the bilateral, the enforcement mechanisms would kick in - and they have teeth.
    not a WTO paper tiger
    No idea wtf you mean by "taking hostages".

    NATO is more "beefed up" then ever, and the Cold War 2 started by Obama's State dept is alive and well.

    Of course you could always count on Beijing Biden to step up and confront China
    Taking hostage is an old tradition to insure compliance of a treaty. Surprised you didn't know that..

    They were treated very well usually & having the honor often of being in the family of the host.......


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    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    ^ interesting but irrelevant.
    modern states with the exception of Iran dont hostage take to blackmail other countries. not China. not Russia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Yeah. No shit.
    If the US was in a 'Military War' with China, everyone would support a 'Government' effort to beat the Chinese. Using a 'Centralized Command' and total commitment for Victory.
    Presently ... we are in an 'Economic War' with China. Most Americans seem UNAWARE of this.
    No matter how often someone points this out, there doesn't seem much of a commitment to do anything about it.
    Correct, most ppl are totally oblivious to it, & frankly don't care, just give me my phone & flat screens...

    The USA & west have been preoccupied w/ the ME & nation building probably @ the worse possible time in our history...... The rapid rise of China went practically unnoticed, not only in the public but in politics as well........

    Obama was preoccupied w/ dealing w/ that + the economic crisis bush the lesser blessed him w/..........

    But IMHO he did a shitty job of making the public aware, as did hillary~she put up little resistance to dumping the TPP or challenging China before they were to big to be put back in place... Could also be because it was already to late by then.

    trump to his cred or probably Steven Bannons they are challenging China but not much & it is likely to late to do what he thinks he can.........

    China came out of the box playing by their own rules & could have been punked out the gate but the endless wars & wallstreet helped cloud their relationship & challenges it created, made it look all happy happy long time!!
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    I do believe he fears Putin..The two had that meeting in 2017 for over 2 hours and it was all off the record, just the two men and their translators. Very suspicious, to me.
    Yet his actions say otherwise. He has scolded Merkel many times over the the Nordstream 2 pipeline and told NATO members to pay their dues. Europe is dangerously reliant on Russian gas, which now supplies 40%. He has also imposed swingeing sanctions against Russia, the Poles and Baltic states distrust Putin the most, they haven't forgotten the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of 1939.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    the problem is most of the chips are manufactured in China -we have been allowing China to steal our IP and manufacture our critical infrastructure. there is all kinds of issues in play , check this out for many

    UK Huawei decision part of wider strategic tensions with China
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53366301
    The very best are not made there, for now anyway.....

    I don't think Obama or trump has allowed it, they are unable to stop the stealing & china certainly isn't going to enforce it.........

    Also many of these companies agreed to give their tech to the CCP for that golden egg........Lets not forget their complicity here....


    Allowing them to demand that to do business there should never have been allowed, although how can the USA police that??

    Allowing Chinese companies in our markets & our stock market should not be either-if they don't have to play by the exact same rules of accounting etc that American firms have to......... Selling trinkets & cheap shit on Alibaba isn't a fuckin state secret, nor is the fact that jack ma is a big shot in the communist party..

    England is in a tuff spot, but that is the spot most countries are in & the rest will be one day. We already seen a taste of that when the NBA kowtowed to china threats..... big money bows to big markets, the commies know it full well............
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Correct, most ppl are totally oblivious to it, & frankly don't care, just give me my phone & flat screens...

    The USA & west have been preoccupied w/ the ME & nation building probably @ the worse possible time in our history...... The rapid rise of China went practically unnoticed, not only in the public but in politics as well........

    Obama was preoccupied w/ dealing w/ that + the economic crisis bush the lesser blessed him w/..........

    But IMHO he did a shitty job of making the public aware, as did hillary~she put up little resistance to dumping the TPP or challenging China before they were to big to be put back in place... Could also be because it was already to late by then.

    trump to his cred or probably Steven Bannons they are challenging China but not much & it is likely to late to do what he thinks he can.........

    China came out of the box playing by their own rules & could have been punked out the gate but the endless wars & wallstreet helped cloud their relationship & challenges it created, made it look all happy happy long time!!
    I don't think it is too late for the American Government to support American Tech Companies to give them whatever they need.

    Do you think table sugar is important? Apparently somebody does.
    "The U.S. Sugar program is the federal commodity support program that maintains a minimum price for sugar, authorized by the 2002 farm bill (P.L. 107-171, Sec. 1401-1403) to cover the 2002-2007 crops of sugar beets and sugarcane."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Sugar_Program

    All the 'Free Traders' around here have no problem with Quotas, Price Supports, and Tariffs for the Sugar Industry, ... where's the Problem with a 'Federal Support Program' for The Tech Industry?

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    They have been protecting American sugar for many years.....

    I/we would have to think upon it.. Off the top I dunno how the gubment or anyone can protect them completely or really partially if the the theft takes place in another country, aka china..

    Really innovation is the key, improve faster than they can rob you..

    IMHO there is a couple inherent flaws that should be addressed. On the one hand total lack of respect for patents in china, on the other patents are a two edged sword..

    American/rest of the world countries use patents to protect themselves, but they also use them to stymie innovation of their competitors by locking them up-not using them & preventing those that can innovate w/ them from doing so~obviously not a problem in china lol

    That is something I think the gubment could perhaps address & encourage cooperation, skirting perhaps some anti-trust law etc
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Uh, yeah. Sure.
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