FBI Director Wray: China is the “greatest long-term threat” to the US

[Jack]

China definitely has a market economy and not a command economy but that doesn’t change the fact that their government is a right wing totalitarian state.

Yes. Agreed. A 'Market Economy' being assisted by the State. A 'Totalitarian State' that 'socially rates' it's citizenship. Your 'Party Allegiance' determines your Station in Life. A Future we all should be terrified of.

[Jack]

we cant do mercantilism. (innovative mercantilism or WTF it's called).
w can diversify,and if we are smart will do that

Anatta. You have to remove the word 'can't' from your vocabulary.

[Nordberg]

The TPP was an Asian trade deal that dealt China out. It was a blow to China. The Repubs hated it because it was Obamas. Since then, China has oozed to the openings withdrawing left. But at least Obama's name was gone.
China has no global supremacy. We are by far the biggest economy in spite of the Trump crash. What China is, was made by American manufacturers.

[anatta]

Anatta. You have to remove the word 'can't' from your vocabulary.

oh there are lots of things we CAN do -like a negotiated bi-lateral agreement

[Jack]

oh there are lots of things we CAN do -like a negotiated bi-lateral agreement

Yes. China buying American Soybeans. (clapping wildly) That IS impressive. Hey, maybe we could be China's 'Food Basket'?
We could grow corn and wheat and stuff, and they could develop Artificial Intelligence and be in control of the Future.

[anatta]

Yes. China buying American Soybeans. (clapping wildly) That IS impressive. Hey, maybe we could be China's 'Food Basket'?
We could grow corn and wheat and stuff, and they could develop Artificial Intelligence and be in control of the Future.

you need to look at phase 1.
Then you need to understand proposed phase 2 -maybe 3

[Jack]

you need to look at phase 1.
Then you need to understand proposed phase 2 -maybe 3

Yeah. Or ... I could believe China is blowing smoke up my ass.

[Mott the Hoople]

Yes. Agreed. A 'Market Economy' being assisted by the State. A 'Totalitarian State' that 'socially rates' it's citizenship. Your 'Party Allegiance' determines your Station in Life. A Future we all should be terrified of.

China likes to take advantages of our form of governments weakness in that it’s easy to sow dissent and faction within a liberal democracy.

China though has to be careful in playing that game with the US cause in a quid pro quo situation they will lose as their weaknesses are far greater and far more obvious than ours. Like having nearly 500 million people still living in abject poverty.

Having said that Whinny the Poo has had an easy time the last three years running circles around Trump who has proven to be a complete and utter neophyte on foreign relations which is a Presidents most important job. His get tough on China talk has been just that, talk. His only real actions has been his trade tariffs which ended up, as expected, hurting us more than China.

[dukkha]

Having said that Whinny the Poo has had an easy time the last three years running circles around Trump who has proven to be a complete and utter neophyte on foreign relations which is a Presidents most important job. His get tough on China talk has been just that, talk. His only real actions has been his trade tariffs which ended up, as expected, hurting us more than China.

incorrect.
Phase One trade agreement was negotiated -then bang came Corona.
It's still in effect but with US/Chinese relations in the toilet, isnt going to survive Trump if he loses.

Beijing Biden will drop negotiations with China in favor of the US entering China trade back in the WTO.
Biden has not the savvy nor the disposition to challenge Beijing on it's own grounds -
he'd not put Lighthizer back to work on a tough negotiations

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Pointless to argue about it now, we're all under Chinese control. Hell, pretty soon they'll be picking both presidential candidates instead of just one.

[Jack]

China likes to take advantages of our form of governments weakness in that it’s easy to sow dissent and faction within a liberal democracy.

China though has to be careful in playing that game with the US cause in a quid pro quo situation they will lose as their weaknesses are far greater and far more obvious than ours. Like having nearly 500 million people still living in abject poverty.

Having said that Whinny the Poo has had an easy time the last three years running circles around Trump who has proven to be a complete and utter neophyte on foreign relations which is a Presidents most important job. His get tough on China talk has been just that, talk. His only real actions has been his trade tariffs which ended up, as expected, hurting us more than China.

Mott: "China likes to take advantages of our form of governments weakness in that it’s easy to sow dissent and faction within a liberal democracy."
Jack; That's true. They are an 'Ethno-State' and they are 'Authoritarian'. Things like 'Free Expression' and 'Individual Liberty' are frowned upon (see Hong Kong for example).

Mott: "China though has to be careful in playing that game with the US cause in a quid pro quo situation they will lose as their weaknesses are far greater and far more obvious than ours. Like having nearly 500 million people still living in abject poverty."
Jack: I disagree. China is on the Ascendancy of Power. China has a 'Central Planning' culture in Government and is using it to full advantage. They are using 'Mercantilism', a form of Commerce that supports 'Nationalism' and the 'State'. It's a perfect example of their 'China First' policy. Their Central Planning DOESN'T include people that mutter "But, but ... that's Communism" or "But, but ... that's Capitalism". They are focused on a 'China First' policy that is nimble enough to do whatever is in the best interests of China.

At this point in time, I doubt the US could ever build a 'Panama Canal' or a 'Hoover Dam'. People like to say "America First", but they don't understand what that may entail. Do people here even understand the term 'National Champions', a term used in countries around the world.

--->"National champions
National champions are corporations which are technically private businesses but due to governmental policy are ceded a dominant position in a national economy. In this system, these large organizations are expected not only to seek profit but also to "advance the interests of the nation"; the government sets policies which favor these organizations.Wikipedia"<---

[Jack]

Pointless to argue about it now, we're all under Chinese control. Hell, pretty soon they'll be picking both presidential candidates instead of just one.

Accept Defeat. Wallow in your Servitude. Maintain a Negative Attitude. Convince everyone around you that "All is Lost". (How much are the Chinese/Russians paying you?)

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Yeah. Or ... I could believe China is blowing smoke up my ass.

Yet you seriously think that Bonkers Biden would be able to clean Xi's clock, if you do then God help you!!

[Jack]

Yet you seriously think that Bonkers Biden would be able to clean Xi's clock, if you do then God help you!!

I believe we are discussing 'China' here and how to counteract their Global Supremacy Agenda.
I wasn't aware we were discussing 'Tweedle-Dee' or 'Tweedle-Dum'.

Anything to add ... other than the usual "But, but ... Biden".

[dukkha]

I believe we are discussing 'China' here and how to counteract their Global Supremacy Agenda.
I wasn't aware we were discussing 'Tweedle-Dee' or 'Tweedle-Dum'.

Anything to add ... other than the usual "But, but ... Biden".

you fail to see the only check on China is not the WTO but any bilateral with Trump -which Biden will never accomplish.

"but but but"- Beijing Biden indeed