Iolo/Penderyn (07-08-2020), Phantasmal (07-08-2020)
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Iolo/Penderyn (07-08-2020), Phantasmal (07-08-2020)
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Hello BartenderElite,
Conservatives can certainly admit when they are wrong. Just not that many of them.
Still supporting DT? Can't admit mistakes.
Never Trumper? Stopped supporting him? Can admit mistakes.
And no such discussion would be complete without mentioning that there are plenty of liberals who cannot admit it when they are wrong.
People are people. There's good ones and bad ones on both sides of the political spectrum.
One of the most poisoning things about our politics, THE VERY REASON WE ARE SO HOPELESSLY POLARIZED, is the stupid we/they theory.
Neither side is all good or all bad. That's the truth.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Sadly, it won't stick. Because Dear Leader told them that it was okay because we have the lowest mortality rate in the world (a lie of course), and that we can just live with it, since 99% of cases are harmless (antother lie, of course). And everything Dear Leader says, they believe. Facts? Those are for suckers, apparently. We are at this point back to where we were four months ago, and if these cult members aren't deprogrammed, it's not going to get better. We'll keep having the same tired debates while more and more people get sick, our hospitals are overrun, and people die. In the meantime, Republicans are trying to figure out how to keep Dear Leader in office by cheating, lying, and suppressing the vote. Why? I have no idea. it won't work this time. But bottom line, you can just write off the rest of this year, and hope and pray we don't lose too many more Americans to the ignorance and arrogance of the cult.
Phantasmal (07-08-2020), PoliTalker (07-08-2020)
Hello Concart,
That's why it is totally a cult. Reasonable people, when presented with serious facts, get serious. These DT fans are just beyond that. They've responded to DT's emotional outbursts, so it's totally emotinoal for them. Their hatred of reason and sense goes right along with it. They're lost in this fantasy that the pandemic is totally overblown, not serious, not a threat.
I've got an acquaintance who is about 50. Strong as an ox. This kind of guy who never gets sick. Really smart, too. A great person to know. Works with people, works with his hands. He got COVID-19 months ago and survived. He never had to go to the hospital but did relate that he got really close. He made a recovery, but it has never been a full recovery. He's back at work, but he had good days and bad days. He said it damaged his lungs. He now gets chills and fever occasionally. He said it just starts hurting in his chest and sometimes he can hear his breath, like he's wheezing. He never smoked. He's not as strong as he used to be, and does not have the stamina he used to have.
Nobody in their right mind would listen to this guy and think this disease is no big deal.
The DT fans will continue to cling to their nonsense until it hits them or someone in their family like this. Even then, some of them will still find a way to make up some baloney to believe that allows them to cling to DT worship. This is a bad cult.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Phantasmal (07-08-2020)
I've never supposed, despite a long lifetime, some of it spent in 'extreme' political groups, that people with other beliefs can't be decent and well-meaning people, but I wonder if the reason we are now so polarized (apart from the existence of new means of communication) isn't the fact that the Right, more and more, is being manipulated, and not just in America, by 'populist' politicians without principles who merely want to win elections. I never had the slightest difficulty in understanding traditional conservatives: I just thought they were wrong. People like Trumpf, Johnson and Bolsonaro, however, don't seem to have any principles or coherent ideas to understand, whereas most 'liberals' are essentially what we used to call 'one nation' conservatives. It's not that I've suddenly taken to thinking in we/they terms as that one whole group seems to have removed themselves from any rational discussion (look at so many of the right-wing posts on here, full of ignorance and made-up facts). It is difficult to know what anyone is going to do about it. I was hopeful that the current coronavirus lurgy was going to re-unite people, and it did for a while over here, until the thug Cummings broke it all up, and Johnson was too ignorant of how ordinary people felt to get rid of him. Trumpf, to almost anyone over here, is merely baffling - a bad joke that has gone on years too long. I wonder if it's all not to do with the need for a religion or something. It's not that I've started hating anyone - I just feel, more and more, that they have cut themselves off from rational conversation, and want only competition and violent language, which seem a bit pointless.
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Phantasmal (07-08-2020), PoliTalker (07-08-2020)
All stats are an average with Covid...unless you know something that the CDC does not.
The guidance is that a “presumptive” positive is coded the same as a confirmed positive or a
diagnosis based on clinical judgment. Presumptive positive COVID-19 tests are coded as confirmed – U07.1.
https://www.icd10monitor.com/we-now-...e-it-correctly
Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
pain in abortion.
Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
which has begun. To abort life is to end it.
I actually agree with you. Look at all the mind-changing and flip-flopping among the WHO, CDC and medical community and politicians which has occurred. My original
thread is there to prove it. I think somewhere in there I had even mentioned that it would good to have this record "for future reference." It actually aged very well
to serve that purpose.
Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
pain in abortion.
Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
which has begun. To abort life is to end it.
OMG, are you serious? Are you just pretending to be REALLY stupid? The chart said that THE MOST COMMON VALUE was age 21. That has nothing to do with the average. if you post a chart, understand what it means. Good grief, you are completely clueless. Are you retarded? A five year old? This is basic stuff.
Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
pain in abortion.
Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
which has begun. To abort life is to end it.
SAN DIEGO (KUSI) – As coronavirus cases continue to increase across the United States, health officials and Democrat politicians seem to be using that statistic to fear monger and justify closure orders.
Dr. Scott Atlas of the Hoover Institute, discussed why we don’t need to be scared of the increase spread of coronavirus on Good Morning San Diego with KUSI’s Paul Rudy.
Atlas said that he has done more than a superficial analysis of the numbers, and after analyzing them, he doesn’t get scared.
Explaining, “When you look all over at the states who are seeing a lot of new cases, you have to look at who is getting infected because we should know by now, that the goal is not to eliminate all cases, that’s not rational, it’s not necessary, if we just protect the people who are going to have serious complications. We look at the cases, yes there’s a lot more cases, by the way they do not correlate in a time sense to any kind of reopening of states. If you look at the timing, that’s just a misstatement, a false narrative. The reality is they may correlate to the new protests and massive demonstrations, but it’s safe to say the majority of new cases are among younger, healthier people.”
Furthermore, Dr. Atlas emphasized the fact that the death rates are not going up, despite the increase in cases. “And that’s what really counts, are we getting people who are really sick and dying, and we’re not, and when we look at the hospitalizations, yes, hospitals are more crowded, but that’s mainly due to the re-installation of medical care for non COVID-19 patients.”
Dr. Atlas used Texas of an example saying, “90+% of ICU beds are occupied, but only 15% are COVID patients. 85% of the occupied beds are not COVID patients. I think we have to look at the data and be aware that it doesn’t matter if younger, healthier people get infected, I don’t know how often that has to be said, they have nearly zero risk of a problem from this. The only thing that counts are the older, more vulnerable people getting infected. And there’s no evidence that they really are.”
Dr. Atlas then pointed out the hospitalization length of stay is about half of what it once was.
https://www.kusi.com/dr-scott-atlas-...lth-officials/
Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
pain in abortion.
Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
which has begun. To abort life is to end it.
dukkha (07-08-2020)
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