Mr Trump is a failed President.

[T. A. Gardner]

You are not a historian. You are the only person who thinks fascism is a form of socialism. It's absurd.

https://www.navalhistory.org/2019/10/08/the-retro-bomb

My latest published article.

[jacksonsprat22]

https://www.navalhistory.org/2019/10/08/the-retro-bomb

My latest published article.

couldn't care less. you know nothing about fascism.

[T. A. Gardner]

couldn't care less. you know nothing about fascism.

Thank you for the gratuitous ad hominem

And, that my friends is how you shutdown a Progressive in an argument.

[jacksonsprat22]

Thank you for the gratuitous ad hominem

And, that my friends is how you shutdown a Progressive in an argument.

I'm here. What did you refute?

[Micawber]

You'd be wrong. As a historian, I believe that. So do many others who are not Progressives and want to write Fascism out of Leftist history because it gives them another big black eye.

https://fee.org/articles/fascism-soc...talist-veneer/
https://mises.org/library/fascism-left-and-right
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/169951




That is, Fascism prefers Statist Capitalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

China has moved to Statist Capitalism and while they call their government Communist, it is becoming more and more a Fascist one.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/03...e-nationalism/
https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com...56223-0139.xml

So, the only historians who believe Fascism is ultra-Right wing are the sort who also think Communism is a good thing. But, seeing as how these days in academia that is a widely held position (being on the Left or radical Left), particularly in the liberal arts, it is understandable.

Beg to differ about Italian fascism not being racist. Even today the fascists have a seat at the table and Italian law does not allow 2nd gen black people (born in Italy) to be citizens, and at the same time, no less, it allows event tangential claims of expats to Italian ancestry to easily become Italian citizens.
Yes, some born in Italy black people are precluded from citizenship by law and born abroad white people can become citizens. This can be traced to Italian fascist beliefs.

To be Italian, to them, very much means to be white.

[T. A. Gardner]

Beg to differ about Italian fascism not being racist. Even today the fascists have a seat at the table and Italian law does not allow 2nd gen black people (born in Italy) to be citizens, and at the same time, no less, it allows event tangential claims of expats to Italian ancestry to easily become Italian citizens.
Yes, some born in Italy black people are precluded from citizenship and born abroad white people can. This can be traced to Italian fascist beliefs.

To be Italian, to them, very much means to be white.

But, is that a construct of Fascism in Italy or something Italy has done and continues to do with various types of government controlling the nation? In other words, is this racism endemic to Italy or is it only because of Fascism that it happened?

[jacksonsprat22]

Thank you for the gratuitous ad hominem

And, that my friends is how you shutdown a Progressive in an argument.

Columbia's Robert Paxton lays out a slightly different definition from Griffin's in his book The Anatomy of Fascism, focusing more on the behaviors of fascist governments than on the nature of fascism as a doctrine. Still, he too identifies an anti-democratic core to fascism:

Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion. (p. 218)


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-trump-fascism

[T. A. Gardner]

Columbia's Robert Paxton lays out a slightly different definition from Griffin's in his book The Anatomy of Fascism, focusing more on the behaviors of fascist governments than on the nature of fascism as a doctrine. Still, he too identifies an anti-democratic core to fascism:

Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion. (p. 218)


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-trump-fascism

That completely ignores the history of Fascism and redefines it as something entirely different. It may not be defined in the way it is above and be Fascism (capital F) versus fascism, some newly defined political term used in a way that has no relationship to the socio-economic political system of Fascism. In other words, the way Paxton is using it is as a made up pejorative likely based on the negative connotation that the word has from history.

[PostmodernProphet]

lib'ruls are failed citizens.....

[jacksonsprat22]

Mussolini, the Italian father of Fascism, writes that: “..Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism

https://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/engl...%20defined.htm


Like heroically gassing protesters to walk up to a church and hold up the holy Bible.

[Micawber]

But, is that a construct of Fascism in Italy or something Italy has done and continues to do with various types of government controlling the nation? In other words, is this racism endemic to Italy or is it only because of Fascism that it happened?

I do not know how to tease that out with facts at my ready. My guess, and only a guess, is the former, and fascism is a good mechanism to bundle racism in with the other general properties, such as nationalism, jingoism, authoritarian highly centralized power, oppression of out groups such as homosexuals, the sick and mentally ill, constriction of personal freedoms, information control....all those nice things.

[jacksonsprat22]

I do not know how to tease that out with facts at my ready. My guess, and only a guess, is the former, and fascism is a good mechanism to bundle racism in with the other general properties, such as nationalism, jingoism, authoritarian highly centralized power, oppression of out groups such as homosexuals, the sick and mentally ill, constriction of personal freedoms, information control....all those nice things.

Fascism is the enemy of democracy. It is about using violence and power to suppress the population. Like Trump calling for the military to "dominate the streets."

[T. A. Gardner]

I do not know how to tease that out with facts at my ready. My guess, and only a guess, is the former, and fascism is a good mechanism to bundle racism in with the other general properties, such as nationalism, jingoism, authoritarian highly centralized power, oppression of out groups such as homosexuals, the sick and mentally ill, constriction of personal freedoms, information control....all those nice things.

Well, such rules aren't that uncommon in the Middle East. All of the Arab states have immigration laws that make it difficult or impossible for a non-Arab to become a citizen. So, my thinking is that it is endemic to Italy since it has survived to the present rather than something inherently Fascist.

[T. A. Gardner]

Fascism is the enemy of democracy. It is about using violence and power to suppress the population. Like Trump calling for the military to "dominate the streets."

So is Communism. So are the more virulent forms of Socialism. All require that power be concentrated in government and the population and economy subject to government rule usually with an iron fist.

Fascism isn't defined by a single act either. Calling for heavy handed suppression of rioters and the mob hardly makes someone a Fascist.

[jacksonsprat22]

So is Communism. So are the more virulent forms of Socialism. All require that power be concentrated in government and the population and economy subject to government rule usually with an iron fist.

Fascism isn't defined by a single act either. Calling for heavy handed suppression of rioters and the mob hardly makes someone a Fascist.

Fascism is the merger of government and capitalism. As you do not know, fascism historically was the literal enemy of communism.