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    "Of all the things President Trump has destroyed, the Republican Party is among the most dismaying.

    “Destroyed” is perhaps too simplistic, though. It would be more precise to say that Mr. Trump accelerated his party’s demise, exposing the rot that has been eating at its core for decades and leaving it a hollowed-out shell devoid of ideas, values or integrity, committed solely to preserving its own power even at the expense of democratic norms, institutions and ideals.

    Tomato, tomahto. However you characterize it, the Republican Party’s dissolution under Mr. Trump is bad for American democracy.

    A healthy political system needs robust, competing parties to give citizens a choice of ideological, governing and policy visions. More specifically, center-right parties have long been crucial to the health of modern liberal democracies, according to the Harvard political scientist Daniel Ziblatt’s study of the emergence of democracy in Western Europe. Among other benefits, a strong center right can co-opt more palatable aspects of the far right, isolating and draining energy from the more radical elements that threaten to destabilize the system...."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/24/o...can-party.html


    You can read that history here: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...nvisible-hands
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    'How do Trump's extraordinary betrayals stand up against history? He could be the worst.'

    "Putting Trump in context is the best way to highlight and understand his betrayals. History is the highest court, and its verdict can't be appealed."

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/6040603002/
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    'Why this conservative voted for Biden and you should too: Trump is a morally defective man'

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/6069337002/
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    There is no question, Trump will go down in our history as one of the worst, time to move America forward again. But bravo bravo all those who voted for Biden / Harris.


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    This is too funny not to share, Trump and Giuliani must have thought this was the Four Seasons in downtown Philly, a high class restaurant hotel, instead it is a lawn company in remote Philly. Too funny. What a dumb administration this is and they prove it daily.

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    Trump and Voter fraud covered. Trump & Election Results


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    While this is so the people wasting their money are the Trump supporters and cult members. Trump is what we used to call a sponger.

    'President Trump paid $3M in Wisconsin recount only for Biden to gain 132 votes'

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/28/trump-...ain-132-votes/

    Trump's love letters include more than just Stormy....

    'Five key revelations in Bob Woodward’s Trump book, from Covid to Kim 'love letters''

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ong-un-letters
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    Gotta give Trump credit, he plays his base well. He lies they pay, he golfs they pay, he visits his Florida golf course, we all pay. But now his cult following want to destroy democracy to keep Donnie in power. The so called conservative Trump base belong in a banana republic as they are not democracy loving Americans.

    'Trump's Election-Fraud Business Is Booming'

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...ess-is-booming


    'Pardoning Giuliani Would Put Trump in Legal Jeopardy'

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...legal-jeopardy


    "Trump’s inaugural committee spent more than $1 million to book a ballroom at the Trump International Hotel in the nation’s capital as part of a scheme to “grossly overpay” for party space and enrich the president’s own family in the process, the District of Columbia’s attorney general, Karl Racine, alleges."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...wsuit-n1249801


    'Roger Stone Says North Korean Boats Delivered Ballots Through Maine Harbor As Trump Boosts Fraud Claims'

    https://www.newsweek.com/roger-stone...-fraud-1551937
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    Does anyone know enough history to judge whether Trump is our worst president? He certainly would hands down win the 'Liar in Chief' award. Personally I always though Hoover and Coolidge among the worst and maybe Jackson for his treatment of Indians. But your thoughts.

    'Latest Fact-Checks Of Donald Trump'

    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/


    'Trump's Republicans have dumped Lincoln – they're the Confederacy now'

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ln-confederacy

    PS Among the best are the initial guys, FDR and LBJ, they did hard things right.
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    For those who have read, 'The Making of Donald Trump' nothing should surprise. But this piece in the Guardian confirms other aspects of a man who became president but is still a child. And where to now Mike Pence, did you sell your soul or did you always lack one?

    "It was not just May who found Trump unsettling: to European diplomatic observers, he seemed a “strange creature”. And he also triggered alarm among some American officials in the room with him, with one defence official noting that the president’s notoriously short attention span suggested a “squirrel careening through the traffic”."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...by-theresa-may


    And what now of Mike Pence, who sold his soul?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...on-evangelical
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    For those who have read, 'The Making of Donald Trump' nothing should surprise. But this piece in the Guardian confirms other aspects of a man who became president but is still a child. And where to now Mike Pence, did you sell your soul or did you always lack one?

    "It was not just May who found Trump unsettling: to European diplomatic observers, he seemed a “strange creature”. And he also triggered alarm among some American officials in the room with him, with one defence official noting that the president’s notoriously short attention span suggested a “squirrel careening through the traffic”."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...by-theresa-may


    And what now of Mike Pence, who sold his soul?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...on-evangelical
    That was an excellent read; thanks for posting it. Op-eds from other countries on American politics are often better than our home-grown ones. Apparently they can see the forest more clearly than those of us who live in it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Is Trump the worst president America has ever had?
    No. That was FDR, for overthrowing our Constitution and creating the culture of progressivism that infects the nation to this day.

    Mr. Trump was actually a pretty good president. He helped to uphold the Second Amendment. Hopefully he will be reelected in 2024.


    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    As a white I've never understood white grievance and yet it palpable in conversations with Trump supporters. A sense in which somehow they are forgotten and neglected.
    It's not so much a grievance as it is we don't like having our civil liberties violated, and we also don't like the idea of getting raped and murdered.

    Since that's all that progressivism offers to us, we vote for the other choice.


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    He claims the violence is in Democratic Cities.
    What he's not mentioning is that they are in America and he is the President of the United States of America.
    He ordered the National Guard to step in and restore order.

    Unfortunately progressive traitors in the government subverted the order.


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    I am an American. For the most part, I've always been very proud of that fact and of our country. That is why I want a national leader who represents me and that pride. President Obama restored that feeling when he took off. Once again, America was admired throughout most of the world, and feared where we needed to be feared.
    Now? We've fallen even below the dismal W years when we were despised for our unwarranted invasion of Iraq. We are a laughingstock. Even worse, we are pitied for our horrendous virus death toll and for the corrupt and impotent leadership at the top.
    America needs to smash up one of the little countries every few years just to remind the rest of the world what we will do to them if they cross us.

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    I'm interested midcan5, what in your opinion--or if you want to use links, etc.--were the five worst things Trump did as president? Could you make a list of those specific things for us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I'm interested midcan5, what in your opinion--or if you want to use links, etc.--were the five worst things Trump did as president? Could you make a list of those specific things for us?
    There is so much it is hard to list. Recently dancing after repeating murdered children names. Unreal. See list below.


    https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/...cities-1-1-056



    'Feel the love, feel the hate – my week in the cauldron of Trump's wild rallies'

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ms-white-house

    'There is no understanding Donald Trump without understanding his rallies.' "They are the crucible of the Trump revolution, the laboratory where he turns his alternative reality into a potion to be sold to his followers. It is at his rallies that his radical reimagining of the US constitution takes shape: not 'We the people', but 'We my people'."
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    There is so much it is hard to list. Recently dancing after repeating murdered children names. Unreal. See list below.


    https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/...cities-1-1-056



    'Feel the love, feel the hate – my week in the cauldron of Trump's wild rallies'

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ms-white-house

    'There is no understanding Donald Trump without understanding his rallies.' "They are the crucible of the Trump revolution, the laboratory where he turns his alternative reality into a potion to be sold to his followers. It is at his rallies that his radical reimagining of the US constitution takes shape: not 'We the people', but 'We my people'."
    I read through those lists. Most of the stuff on there was so marginal and minor as to be laughable. Trump insulted someone? So fucking what? Every politician does crap like that, some more than others. Yes, I get it. Trump is a world-class asshole and troll. He's an arrogant braggard and blowhard. That doesn't make him some evil baby eating mass murderer though.

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