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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    This is what modern day liberals consider intellectual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    This is well worth the read. Posted in its entirety.


    An Independence Day Message for Black Americans
    COMMENTARY
    .
    By Charles Love

    Independence Day has largely become a day for barbecue and furniture sales. For many Americans, however, it remains an important day of reflection, a day to celebrate the founding of this great nation. This Independence Day may be more important than any in recent history, with protests continuing and historic symbols under attack. America’s past sins are being dredged up and reexamined. It is a good time, then, to look at the Declaration of Independence within its proper context.

    I want to address my fellow black Americans: This country is as much ours as it is anyone else’s—and it has been since the beginning. Too many blacks believe that America is racist, that it does not foster equality, and that its founding principles do not include all citizens. This is evident in the common reply from some blacks to Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign slogan, “Make America Great Again,” which was, “When was America ever great?”

    The answer to this question depends on one’s definition of “great.” If “great” means “perfect,” then former Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall’s judgment that our Constitution was “defective from the start” seems true. Yet when measured against other countries—all very far from perfect themselves—America was clearly unique. In the late 18th century, most of the world was ruled by tribal leaders who gained power through conquest or monarchs who inherited power through family lineage and treated citizens as subjects.

    The Declaration of Independence was special in how it stated the requirement of a new form of government. It, and the Constitution that followed, turned history on its head. Before the Declaration, leaders created laws to guide how people should act and live. The Declaration argued, by contrast, that man was governed by natural law that comes from “nature’s God.” The primary goal of government should be to protect these natural rights, granted to man by God. The document further stated that the government’s power should be derived from the consent of the governed.

    The argument detractors make—and that we hear so often today—is that the Founders were racists and slaveowners who did not believe that everyone should be included in the new nation’s mission statement. Applying such a crude blanket judgment to the Founders as a group is not very useful, since there were many differences among them; yet even if this judgment were true across the board, it would have no bearing on the greatness of the idea on which America was founded. No matter the Founders’ flaws, what they created was great and unique in history.

    Besides, the best argument against slavery is the Declaration of Independence itself. If all men are created equal, then blacks cannot be excluded. If our rights are endowed by the Creator, they cannot be given or taken away by arbitrary leaders.

    Because a younger America did not honor the freedoms afforded to all does not negate the fact that blacks still had these rights; they were, and are, innate. Frederick Douglass, former slave and abolitionist, said it best in 1864, at the height of the Civil War: “Abolish slavery tomorrow, and not a sentence or syllable of the Constitution need be altered.”

    The same goes for the Declaration of Independence. Did it promote equality? The answer is clearly yes. If you’re unsure, here’s a test. What if government were limited to laws that solely secured natural rights? Would that promote or suppress equality? That depends on what one deems to be equality. Natural law would dictate that a black man is free to pursue, say, the role of NFL commissioner. It also suggests, though, that those responsible for selecting the commissioner would be afforded the same freedom of action, and choice.

    In an effort to rectify past wrongs, our culture has become obsessed with “diversity” and “inclusion.” Are these demands consistent with the virtue of equality? Any honest assessment of this forced diversity movement would find it lacking. Phrases like “It’s time for a woman president” or “We need more black coaches” are as antithetical to the goal of equality as John C. Calhoun’s argument that slavery was a “positive good” or the Supreme Court’s reasoning in the Dred Scott case of 1857.

    To the younger generation of Americans: You will inherit an undue burden. The new, unequal view of righting wrongs—best described as “justifiable inequality”—will change how you’re educated. This means that to get a full understanding of equality, and of human nature’s effect on it, you will likely have to study independently. Your studies will, no doubt, put heavy emphasis on slavery, Jim Crow, the treatment of Native Americans, unjust wars, gender inequalities, and countless other failures. You will almost certainly not be given insight into the world of the past; nor will you be told that the failures of the past are indictments of the choices of the men and women of that time—not of the principles that undergird our unique republic.

    Without this perspective, one can’t help but have a skewed view of America. What Thomas Jefferson (its principal author) created in the Declaration is a document that would serve as the foundation for the greatest governing experiment in human history. Unfortunately, our country is at risk today because too many citizens know little, and appreciate less, of this history and its context.

    Lastly, to my son: I cannot shield you from the world. You will, undoubtedly, be subjected to the noxious view of America described above—often with the inference that you have fewer opportunities because of your race. This is a lie. I will do everything in my power to ensure that you understand the significance of freedom, liberty, and equality. If I do my job well, when you read this, you will know that you were blessed to be born in America; and being black should strengthen, not weaken this belief. I hope that you will defend the tenets of the Declaration of Independence and stand up to maintain our republic. It needs you.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ns_143612.html
    A good read for all Americans.

    A good movie for the Fourth of July isn't about the Fourth, but Women's Suffrage: "Iron-Jawed Angels". https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338139/ It also shows how Woodrow Wilson was an asshole.

    Some Freedom quotes:
    “I am an American; free born and free bred, where I acknowledge no man as my superior, except for his own worth, or as my inferior, except for his own demerit.” - Theodore Roosevelt

    “America is another name for opportunity.” - Ralph Waldo Emerson

    FDR made an excellent comment about the differences between Americans and the Euros:
    “In the truest sense, freedom cannot be bestowed; it must be achieved.” - Franklin D. Roosevelt

    “The only real prison is fear, and the only real freedom is freedom from fear.”
    - Aung San Suu Kyi

    “The essence of America—that which really unites us—is not ethnicity, or nationality, or religion. It is an idea—and what an idea it is: that you can come from humble circumstances and do great things.” - Condoleezza Rice

    I'd vote for Condoleeza Rice as President.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    I know white, gender confused liberals like yourself can be.
    You forgot "white, gender confused liberals like yourself, wracked with white guilt and burdened with white privilege, can be".
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Talks like this are why America is doomed.
    It’s been doomed. I would rather we split amicably

    Divide up the country and go our separate ways. We get the nukes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    It’s been doomed. I would rather we split amicably

    Divide up the country and go our separate ways. We get the nukes
    Then Trump needs to stop dividing this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Largely predictable, read all the same themes elsewhere applied to others other than specified black people, but what kills it right from the offset is the line "when measured against other countries," none of us live in "other countries," we live here, and recognizing shortcomings as part of our history only makes us greater as a nation not waving the flag
    Arsecheese, you're a truly miserable old sod. Churlish and curmudgeonly to the max.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grajonca View Post
    Arsecheese, you're a truly miserable old sod. Churlish and curmudgeonly to the max.
    Thanks for the opinion of a Brit Thai bath house cleaner who sucks up to monarchs.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Thanks for the opinion of a Brit Thai bath house cleaner who sucks up to monarchs.
    Ha ha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Then Trump needs to stop dividing this country.
    What simplistic thinking. We have been divided for years. I want no part of your ideology and you want no part of mine. It is best if the country split apart peacefully while we still can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    What simplistic thinking. We have been divided for years. I want no part of your ideology and you want no part of mine. It is best if the country split apart peacefully while we still can.
    What is my ideology and what is your ideology?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    What is my ideology and what is your ideology?

    You claim to be a lefty. I am a proud American. We cannot coexist. We can split peacefully as a country or we can descend to bloody civil war

    What is your problem with splitting peacefully? According to leftists, us red states are just holding you back. Time to be all you can be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    You claim to be a lefty. I am a proud American. We cannot coexist. We can split peacefully as a country or we can descend to bloody civil war

    What is your problem with splitting peacefully? According to leftists, us red states are just holding you back. Time to be all you can be
    And yet the "rightists" here have been agreeing with me many times. And vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    And yet the "rightists" here have been agreeing with me many times. And vice versa.

    Who are these "rightists"? Name names?

    and what have you agreed on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    Who are these "rightists"? Name names?

    and what have you agreed on?
    Steve, Darth, Teflon, and others. Even yourself included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Steve, Darth, Teflon, and others. Even yourself included.
    agreed with you on what?

    BTW, you are double counting Teflon Don. I know I am JPP's most influential and consequential member, but come on man

    And even if we do agree on some issues, let's be honest the rest do not.

    It is best we get an amicable divorce than continue down this path. Why are you opposed to us just splitting up? I always hear that Commiefornistan would be the sixth richest nation all by itself, so it doesn't need the rest of us. It can pursue its "green new deal" and the rest of us can pollute our little hearts out.

    Commiefornistan can kill all kinds of babies and use their parts to make Barbie dolls. The rest of us can protect the unborn.
    Commiefornistan can be a haven for immigrants all over the world. It won't even have to be illegal anymore because they will welcome everyone at anytime regardless of origin and with no limits. The rest of us will have controls
    Commiefornistan can ban ALL guns for ANY reason. The rest of us will have ZERO gun restrictions
    Commiefornistan can have a 90% tax on everyone and provide free healthcare, electricity, food, housing, internet, cell phone service you name it. The rest of us will get by with tariffs and excise taxes
    Commiefornistan can have their popular vote. We will stick with the electoral college

    You can live in Commiefornistan, but you can't immigrate to our portion and vice versa. You can visit, but you have to have papers and you can only stay a week. If you do move to our bastion of freedom you will be prohibited from voting for a period of 5 years

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