An Independence Day Message for Black Americans

[ParachuteAdams]

Look what I'm bringing to your house.

[AProudLefty]

no nation is perfect-men/women are imperfect. But you are saying the only metric is perfection
The enemy of the good is perfection; strive for it but do not let perfection be the metric

Not what I am saying at all.

I am saying that telling people to accept their lots in life because others have it worse is a fallacy and is the real enemy of progress.

[anatta]

No, I think they were misogynists as well as racists.
Anymore brilliant questions?

the men were imperfect but the Constitution/Declaration
had the founding concept all men are equal (under the law) and that guides the law to this day

[Nordberg]

I cannot shield you from the world. You will, undoubtedly, be subjected to the noxious view of America described above—often with the inference that you have fewer opportunities because of your race. This is a lie.

Nope. A fact.

[anatta]

Not what I am saying at all.

I am saying that telling people to accept their lots in life because others have it worse is a fallacy and is the real enemy of progress.

nobody says "accept your lot" -this isn't a caste system. Upward mobility and legal protection for all is how we operate,. When it fails -like the death of Kirby -we make adjustment towards that end

[Saudade]

First off, the question was "do you think the Constitution was just something a bunch of racists wrote?" To which I clearly specified "actually, based upon today's understanding, yes," which is true, no on can deny that fact

The reality is that you accept that fact, then you can continue to understand history in its proper context, but to deny the obvious and move forward is hypocritical and makes it harder for those who were the victims of those injustices to understand and accept

And the China thing is just weird, no offense intended

If you only meant your statement in a relative sense, then ok, but the reference I made to China is apropos. The first step to indoctrinating people to a new way of thinking is to get them to reject their history and heritage. If you discard all of your nation's history as "racism", "sexism", or some other bigotry, then something else must fill that hole. The Cultural Revolution did this to get people to convert to Maoism. We're seeing the same process now to get people to join the church of Wokeness.

[AProudLefty]

nobody says "accept your lot" -this isn't a caste system. Upward mobility and legal protection for all is how we operate,. When it fails -like the death of Kirby -we make adjustment towards that end

Then no comparison is needed.

And that Kirby thing is childish. It disrespects Floyd and his family.

[anatta]

Nope. A fact.

PC horseshit.
anyone -ANYONE can succeed and the promise of that is manifest in all strata and occupations of society

[anatta]

Then no comparison is needed.

And that Kirby thing is childish. It disrespects Floyd and his family.

tell it to Pelosi
Humans make comparrisons, deal with it

[Saudade]

Nope. A fact.

If it is a fact, then the black population here should take up Ghana's offer of refuge. Surely, they must have more opportunity waiting for them there.

[archives]

nobody says "accept your lot" -this isn't a caste system. Upward mobility and legal protection for all is how we operate,. When it fails -like the death of Kirby -we make adjustment towards that end

Horatio Alger narratives are fiction

No one just moved upward based upon hard work and achievement, you should be old enough and seen enough of life to know that ain't true. None of us on this forum started out with "next to nothing except a million dollar loan from my father"

One can work hard, do all that is expected, achieve, but still, a lot of it is luck, and if you were born black, you already start life with a major hurdle to overcome

[AProudLefty]

tell it to Pelosi
Humans make comparrisons, deal with it

Why do I have to tell it to Pelosi? I'm telling YOU.

Of course humans make comparisons and fallacies all the time.

[T. A. Gardner]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto

More likely more like one of these

https://www.marxists.org/reference/a...1936/12/05.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consti...f_South_Africa
Note the Bill of Rights in that one in particular

or maybe this one:

http://constitutionnet.org/sites/def...nstitution.pdf

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

[archives]

If you only meant your statement in a relative sense, then ok, but the reference I made to China is apropos. The first step to indoctrinating people to a new way of thinking is to get them to reject their history and heritage. If you discard all of your nation's history as "racism", "sexism", or some other bigotry, then something else must fill that hole. The Cultural Revolution did this to get people to convert to Maoism. We're seeing the same process now to get people to join the church of Wokeness.

No one is "indoctrinating people to a new way of thinking is to get them to reject their history and heritage," most already knew it, but rather recognizing that it wasn't perfect, that all those individuals with statues and monuments weren't flawless

And you are incorrect on China, the Cultural Revolution was all about Mao trying to kill the emerging middle class while reinstalling what he saw as the revolutionary spirit

[AProudLefty]

More likely more like one of these

https://www.marxists.org/reference/a...1936/12/05.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consti...f_South_Africa
Note the Bill of Rights in that one in particular

or maybe this one:

http://constitutionnet.org/sites/def...nstitution.pdf

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

That paranoia is quite disturbing.