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    Default How The GOP Chose To Be A White christian Party

    or, How a party spent decades making itself white.

    Republicans hadn’t been afraid to say publicly that they didn’t want certain people to vote, after all. Paul Weyrich, co-founder of the conservative Heritage Foundation, said in a speech in 1980: “I don’t want everybody to vote. … our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”

    It wasn’t just Weyrich, either. During the 1971 Supreme Court confirmation hearing of future Chief Justice William Rehnquist, civil rights activists testified that he had run “ballot security” operations in Arizona and had personally administered literacy tests to Black and Hispanic voters at Phoenix polling places. Nor are these sentiments just a relic of a bygone era: In March of this year, President Donald Trump dismissed out of hand Democratic-backed measures that called for vote-by-mail and same-day registration to help ensure people could vote amid the COVID-19 pandemic: “They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.”

    The political wisdom is ingrained at this point: Black and brown people don’t vote for Republicans.


    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...blican-choice/
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    Better that than a party of Progressive Leftists, Socialists, Communists, and other villainous scum of the radical Left...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Better that than a party of Progressive Leftists, Socialists, Communists, and other villainous scum of the radical Left...
    That is how you describe American citizens who thing fair elections are a good idea? We are not for shutting down minorities and poor people from voting. If you think voter suppression is an enlightened and Christian act, then justify it. Because it is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    That is how you describe American citizens who thing fair elections are a good idea? We are not for shutting down minorities and poor people from voting. If you think voter suppression is an enlightened and Christian act, then justify it. Because it is not.
    Define "fair elections." As far as I can tell, nobody except crackpots on the radical fringes of society are for "shutting down minorities and poor people from voting." I do think that the Left in its calls for straight democratic votes on everything, voting without ID, mass mail-in balloting, etc., are calling not just for mob rule but also for massive potential voter fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Better that than a party of Progressive Leftists, Socialists, Communists, and other villainous scum of the radical Left...
    I don't know what can be worse than the corrupted-licans
    Last edited by Trumpet; 07-03-2020 at 05:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Better that than a party of Progressive Leftists, Socialists, Communists, and other villainous scum of the radical Left...
    That's a lot of buzzwords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Define "fair elections." As far as I can tell, nobody except crackpots on the radical fringes of society are for "shutting down minorities and poor people from voting." I do think that the Left in its calls for straight democratic votes on everything, voting without ID, mass mail-in balloting, etc., are calling not just for mob rule but also for massive potential voter fraud.
    You're just parroting the scummy voter suppression tactics that the scum-licans use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    or, How a party spent decades making itself white.

    Republicans hadn’t been afraid to say publicly that they didn’t want certain people to vote, after all. Paul Weyrich, co-founder of the conservative Heritage Foundation, said in a speech in 1980: “I don’t want everybody to vote. … our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”

    It wasn’t just Weyrich, either. During the 1971 Supreme Court confirmation hearing of future Chief Justice William Rehnquist, civil rights activists testified that he had run “ballot security” operations in Arizona and had personally administered literacy tests to Black and Hispanic voters at Phoenix polling places. Nor are these sentiments just a relic of a bygone era: In March of this year, President Donald Trump dismissed out of hand Democratic-backed measures that called for vote-by-mail and same-day registration to help ensure people could vote amid the COVID-19 pandemic: “They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.”

    The political wisdom is ingrained at this point: Black and brown people don’t vote for Republicans.


    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...blican-choice/
    Thank God, that there are people smart enough to not vote for an economical or political policy that is detrimental to themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    I don't what can be worse than the corrupted-licans
    Socialists, Communists, and their radical Leftist anarchist supporters. Look what Leftist Socialists did to Venezuela... or Rhodesia / Zimbabwe. Socialism that sprang up in the late 40's and into the 50's in Europe was largely repealed and replaced by the 80's after decades of economic failure, lousy government, poverty, and every other social ill that sprang from it. The countries that kept the most Socialism are today the biggest basket cases in Europe, like Greece for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Socialists, Communists, and their radical Leftist anarchist supporters. Look what Leftist Socialists did to Venezuela... or Rhodesia / Zimbabwe. Socialism that sprang up in the late 40's and into the 50's in Europe was largely repealed and replaced by the 80's after decades of economic failure, lousy government, poverty, and every other social ill that sprang from it. The countries that kept the most Socialism are today the biggest basket cases in Europe, like Greece for example.
    What about plutocracy????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    What about plutocracy????
    What about it? Wealth redistribution doesn't work. That's been repeatedly proven now multiple times by various Communist and the more virulent Socialist states that have been formed.

    Question: Who are the plutocrats when the government demands 110% of your income in taxes? That happened to some people in Sweden back in the 70's. Seems to me that the Socialist government there at the time was the plutocracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    What about it? Wealth redistribution doesn't work. That's been repeatedly proven now multiple times by various Communist and the more virulent Socialist states that have been formed.

    Question: Who are the plutocrats when the government demands 110% of your income in taxes? That happened to some people in Sweden back in the 70's. Seems to me that the Socialist government there at the time was the plutocracy.
    The same old song and dance that I've been hearing since the time of Reagan, and just look at what has happened to the income and wealth disparity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    The same old song and dance that I've been hearing since the time of Reagan, and just look at what has happened to the income and wealth disparity.
    So? What you suggest is just politics of envy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Socialists, Communists, and their radical Leftist anarchist supporters. Look what Leftist Socialists did to Venezuela... or Rhodesia / Zimbabwe. Socialism that sprang up in the late 40's and into the 50's in Europe was largely repealed and replaced by the 80's after decades of economic failure, lousy government, poverty, and every other social ill that sprang from it. The countries that kept the most Socialism are today the biggest basket cases in Europe, like Greece for example.
    Venezuela wasn't destroyed by Socialism, it was destroyed by American sanctions.

    The countries in Europe that have the most Socialism are actually the most successful. Those being the German-speaking and Nordic countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Venezuela wasn't destroyed by Socialism, it was destroyed by American sanctions.
    Yes, it was. It wasn't American sanctions that kept the country from having toilet paper or enough flour for bread, it was imposed price controls that set the sales point below the cost of manufacture and import. Nobody is going to be able to afford to sell products at a loss for long.
    It wasn't American sanctions that are causing regular blackouts in Venezuela. It's a poorly managed, unstable grid made worse because all the best technicians and engineers have fled the country because they could get paid what they're worth elsewhere while wage controls meant they got undervalued in Venezuela.
    Nationalizing the oil industry only ensured its collapse. First, corruption by incompetent bureaucrats within the industry that were appointed by the government made sure things were badly mismanaged. Then, the oil companies that lost their facilities and property there refused to sell Venezuela any parts to keep their refineries and wells operating. Can't blame them for doing that. Would you willingly sell stuff to someone who just took your business away because they could and didn't bother to indemnify you for the loss?

    Related to this I suppose you are going to try and make the same argument for Zimbabwe where Robert Mugabe turned the nation into a basket case the same way Chavez and Maduro have done to Venezuela.

    The countries in Europe that have the most Socialism are actually the most successful. Those being the German-speaking and Nordic countries.
    Actually, the most successful European countries got rid of most of their Socialism. They sold off all the government owned industry and businesses. For example, British Leyland-- Britain's equivalent of GM-- was mostly sold off in 1975 after it economically collapsed due to frequent worker strikes, poor production quality, and inability to make a profit.

    The idea that Europe today is Socialist is nonsense. It has a social-welfare state but has pretty much otherwise abandoned Socialism as unworkable.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/matt...ial-democracy/

    As you can see, those espousing Socialism in Europe have become a pariah party...



    https://mises.org/wire/why-social-de...failing-europe

    So, the most successful nations in Europe are the ones with the least Socialism. The worst are ones that still cling to heavy-handed Socialism like Greece, Italy, or Spain.

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