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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Britain has the National Health Service.
    Government owned Hospitals.
    Government paid Doctors and Nurses.
    Free to Everyone.

    (kind of like the Public School System here)
    Then move there. And take fat Ox with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    This weekend we celebrate the creation of the United States, though that project remains substantially incomplete. This year of crises has underscored the distance between the lofty rhetoric of our founding documents and the persistent inequalities of American life. This nation began as a set of promises that it has yet to keep.


    Americans also need better health care. The United States spends a larger share of its annual income on health care than other developed nations, yet Americans suffer the worst health outcomes of any wealthy nation. That’s not a good deal.

    Other countries use a variety of systems to achieve better results, but those systems have two things in common: Everyone is covered, and the government seeks to hold down the cost of care.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/o...gtype=Homepage

    You can still get Obamacare if you want it, you're just not REQUIRED to buy it like some 3rd world banana republic with a dictator in charge. My sister died in April, officially of COVID19(her list of co-morbidity read like a steven king novel, AND she died in a nursing home. She was hard to kill). She was on social security disability and Medicaid for 11 years. Dialysis 3 days a week, prescriptions up the wazoo, 10 emergency room visits in 2019 alone(3 in December)...didn't pay ONE medical bill in that 11 years. That's a pretty damn good health care system for someone who ain't got a pot to piss in. Worried about health care for your family? Here's a few hints: If you're approaching your 10th anniversary delivering pizzas from the car you got as a present for getting your GED, maybe it's the wrong time to start a family. Hint#2: You might be too young to remember, but a blood test used to be required to get a marriage license(hell, these days the notion of a license to get married is a bit archaic). Don't you think with all the genetic testing going on today that this might be a good idea? Hint#3: MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO SUPPORT YOUR FAMILY WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT WHO'S IN A POLITICAL OFFICE! Sorry to bust your bubble, but I know a lot of "oppressed" people with big, healthy and thriving families who don't rely on government programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    This weekend we celebrate the creation of the United States, though that project remains substantially incomplete. This year of crises has underscored the distance between the lofty rhetoric of our founding documents and the persistent inequalities of American life. This nation began as a set of promises that it has yet to keep.


    Americans also need better health care. The United States spends a larger share of its annual income on health care than other developed nations, yet Americans suffer the worst health outcomes of any wealthy nation. That’s not a good deal.

    Other countries use a variety of systems to achieve better results, but those systems have two things in common: Everyone is covered, and the government seeks to hold down the cost of care.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/o...gtype=Homepage
    I actually have given this some serious thought. I think, given where we are on health care, that the following is a good solution to the problem.

    First, we create a national catastrophic health insurance program. This program is designed only to cover major medical expenses in excess of say $10,000 to $30,000 or more. Those amounts would be owed by the person and anything above that is covered 100% for each occurance.

    Next, we set up a program that makes it mandatory that each citizen has a medical expense savings account. There would be two types and anyone could have one or both, but they would be required to have at least one.

    These accounts would come in two forms: The first would be an individual account. The second would be an employer-employee account.

    The individual account would be a 100% untaxed contribution account. That is, any money put in is pre-tax. You can put in as much as you like as often as you like but there is a cap on the amount-- say 3 to 5 times the national catastrophic insurance deductible amount. Each person would have an account. For minors, the parents would have control of their account until age of majority (18).
    So, you could put something between $30,000 and say $100,000 in an individual account without taxes. Amounts in excess of that would be taxable but allowed.

    The employer account works a bit differently. The allowable amount is equal to the national catastrophic insurance plan deductible per employee. It can be less. The employer deposits the amount of the plan into each account. The employee can draw on the account throughout the year up to the amount of the plan. Any unused funds at the end of the year are split between the employee and employer as a taxable dividend / payout. That is, the employee receives 50% of the unused money as a bonus for being healthy while the employer gets 50% for having a healthy employee. If the employer chooses to roll over their share into the next year's plan for an employee it is not taxed. That means after a few years, the plan is essentially free money for the employer to cover a career employee.
    Employees who quit or are terminated get nothing from the plan and would have to rely on their individual savings plan instead until reemployed.
    There is could or could not be a legal requirement for employers to participate. That's political.

    For those at the lower end of the economic scale, they would have any tax return money, Earned income Credit, or other monies that would normally be returned to them instead put into their individual health care account until that account's balance was equal to or greater than the national catastrophic deductible. That would give them some money for health care payment.

    You could supplement any of this with a health insurance plan if your want. Heath insurers could operate the individual and employer plans as a normal business. They don't have to, but it's an option. They might offer incentives for people and employers to open accounts with them rather than manage their own.

    All payments to providers would be made from these accounts or the national catastrophic coverage plan as required.

    In a sense, it is a reverse of universal Medicaid / Medicare.

    That is, the government is the last provider not the first. You are responsible for most or all routine medical care and payment. The exact figures in all this can vary from what I proposed, higher or lower. The national plan is taxpayer paid for through income tax or through payment to commercial health insurers who make the payouts.

    This plan makes you the individual responsible for your health care costs and payments for routine care. All the government /insurance pays is the rare massive bill for hospitalization or major medical care. This means for the average healthy person once your individual account is full you stop having to pay in for that. Employers have every incentive to participate and employees have an incentive to minimize their costs in anticipation of a bonus at the end of the year.

    Individual accounts would also be transferable on death. That means you could leave the money in one to someone else and fill their account tax free.

    It's a damn sight better than the Obamanationcare crappola that the Democrats are pushing like universal government run health care. Screw that! It's a terrible idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    What inequalities hack? NO ONE in this country is prevented from becoming prosperous or successful. The only thing holding losers like you back are yourselves and your own laziness.



    How do we not have the best health care in the world leftist hack? You don't get better care by nationalizing it and placing it in the hands of faceless bureaucrats. This is the rhetoric of the uneducated and stupid.



    That is because we are a sue happy nation and do not manage our healthcare by LIMITING access and making it hard to get care. Socialized systems manage their costs by creating shortages, long wait times and not having sufficient R & D to create breakthroughs in care.



    NYT's???? Hahahahahahaha. No snowflake, other countries have shitty systems that are far more costly when you consider their taxation rates, the lack of services and the long wait times for even the most basic care.

    Stop reading the bullshit from the NYT's; they are making you look stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Time for you to get an education.

    If America is so terrible for you Marxist Fascistic goons, why stay? MOVE!! I'll even help idiots like you pack.
    You're the one who hates America so much. FUCK OFF AND MOVE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    Yes, it works. Not perfectly, but nothing is perfect.
    The Goal: Providing Health Care. It's NOT a Money-Making operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Then move there. And take fat Ox with you.
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    This weekend we celebrate the creation of the United States, though that project remains substantially incomplete. Everyone is covered, and the government seeks to hold down the cost of care.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/o...gtype=Homepage
    Project 1619 trash
    US government never holds down costs compared to private sector, unless it's thru deprivation

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    A stronger safety net

    › Provide housing vouchers to all eligible families.

    › Reward cities that allow more housing construction.

    › Expand the program to end homelessness among veterans to all Americans.

    › Restore federal funding for public health agencies.


    The will of the people

    › Make it easier for Americans to vote.

    › Provide public funding for congressional candidates.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/o...gtype=Homepage
    ha ha ha ha ha. this poster is obviously a doofus; a brainwashed socialist millennial!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    The main problem with capitalism is that producing wealth does not produce a good nation.
    h ha ha ha ha. Tell it to the rest of the world -a "good nation"comes from good will
    and equal justice before all" - not mobs attacking police

    the common misconception is "money is the root of all evil" -that's not how it goes.
    it's "the love of money is the root of all evil"

    wealth isn't inherently "good"or bad

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    Demmycrats gave us this healthcare system during the Obama administration.......now they tell us they will save us from it.......
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by I<3Big Anime Tiddies View Post
    Oh, where am I going?
    I wonder if Billy died and left his account to Watermark....
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    The first start is vanishing leftists from the United States
    redecorate the House in a bold red color.....
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes View Post
    Here's a few hints: If you're approaching your 10th anniversary delivering pizzas from the car you got as a present for getting your GED, maybe it's the wrong time to start a family.
    Anyone else find it ironic that the same people who are against family planning say that people should plan better to have a family? This is not a joke. You come out against Planned Parenthood, you need to also come out for supporting all the families that will be started without a plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Anyone else find it ironic that the same people who are against family planning say that people should plan better to have a family? This is not a joke. You come out against Planned Parenthood, you need to also come out for supporting all the families that will be started without a plan.
    Getting an abortion because you're not able to support a child is not "family planning". It's trying to fix a mistake. And I don't think I should have to support families that will be started without a plan. That scares me in fact. What the hell does that "support" look like? I'm just saying EVERYONE needs to think long and hard about the consequences of their actions.
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