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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    you dumb ass
    Rousseau: "When the people shall have nothing more to eat, they will eat the rich".
    So? Thread is not Rousseau. Are you drunk or stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    So? Thread is not Rousseau. Are you drunk or stupid.
    how long have you been this addled?
    You have no idea of politics / political philosophy- except "rich are bad"

    You gotta be a brainwashed millennial amiright?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    how long have you been this addled?
    You have no idea of politics / political philosophy- except "rich are bad"

    You gotta be a brainwashed millennial amiright?
    get lost troll

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    get lost troll
    HA HA HA HA HA.. I am right !

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    Republicans have convinced their base that government is bad, wealth is good. Even the poorest (R)-voting welfare recipient living in a broken-down trailer will lambaste the government way before he does the wealthy.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Republicans have convinced their base that government is bad, wealth is good. Even the poorest (R)-voting welfare recipient living in a broken-down trailer will lambaste the government way before he does the wealthy.
    Unfortunately the uneducated are easily manipulated. They know only ideology. Criticize an economic idea and they think you're antifa wanting to burn down America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Republicans have convinced their base that government is bad, wealth is good. Even the poorest (R)-voting welfare recipient living in a broken-down trailer will lambaste the government way before he does the wealthy.
    wealth is good..WTF are you talking about?

    Government isn't "good" or "bad". To quote Eric Clapton:


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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    More government results in more concentration of wealth at the top of society. It's that simple.
    Its the purpose of government.
    "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin
    The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.

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    Hello jacksonsprat22,

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    Huge disparities in income and wealth translate into comparable disparities in political influence. To see how this works, let’s look at a fairly recent example: the budgetary Grand Bargain that almost happened in 2011.

    Both the Obama administration and Republicans were staking out positions that flew in the face of public desires. A large majority has consistently wanted to see Social Security benefits expanded, not cut. A comparably large majority has consistently said that upper-income Americans pay too little, not too much, in taxes.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/o...gtype=Homepage

    For those who think Obama is a hero of the Democratic Party. He was far closer to Republicans on issues that mattered: Helping the Upper Class stay in power.
    "Huge disparities in income and wealth translate into comparable disparities in political influence."

    That's not exactly correct.

    Those wealth disparities translate into GREATER disparities in political influence.

    "At the time, [2011] Washington was firmly in the grip of deficit fever. Even though the federal government was able to borrow at historically low interest rates, everyone who mattered seemed to be saying that the budget deficit was the most important issue facing America and that it was essential to rein in spending on Social Security and Medicare."

    It wasn't everyone who mattered, it was power-hungry Republicans who wanted to limit the success of Democrats, so they turned the deficit into the issue of the day.

    " a CBS poll in early 2011 found only 6 percent of the public named the deficit as the most important issue, compared with 51 percent citing the economy and jobs."

    Exactly. The deficit was a non-issue until Republicans over-hyped it.

    The answer to the OP question is that the rich have so much power because corruption is legal in our government.



    We have to fix that by supporting the Anti-Corruption Act:

    " Anti-Corruption Act:

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    Stop political bribery

    Make it illegal for politicians to take money from lobbyists.
    Politicians get extraordinary sums of money in the form of campaign donations from the special interests who lobby them. In return, politicians create laws favorable to these special interests – even when those laws hurt voters.

    Under the American Anti-Corruption Act, people who get paid to lobby cannot donate to politicians.

    Ban lobbyist bundling.
    Lobbyists regularly bundle together big contributions from their friends and colleagues and deliver them in one lump sum to politicians. This turns lobbyists into major fundraisers, giving politicians an incentive to keep them happy by working political favors.

    The Act prohibits lobbyists from bundling contributions.

    Close the revolving door.
    Lobbyists and special interests routinely offer public officials high-paying lobbying jobs. Politicians and their staff routinely move straight from government to these lucrative lobbying jobs, where they get paid to influence their former colleagues.

    The Act stops elected representatives and senior staff from selling off their government power for high-paying lobbying jobs, prohibits them from negotiating jobs while in office, and bars them from paid lobbying activity for several years once they leave.

    Prevent politicians from fundraising during working hours.
    Most federal politicians spend between 3 and 7 hours a day fundraising from big donors instead of working on issues that matter to voters.

    Under the Act, politicians are prevented from raising money during the workday, when they should be serving their constituents.

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    End Secret Money

    Immediately disclose political money online.
    Current disclosure laws are outdated and broken. Many donations are not disclosed for months, and some are never made available electronically, making it difficult for citizens and journalists to follow the money in our political system.

    The Anti-Corruption Act ensures that all significant political fundraising and spending is immediately disclosed online and made easily accessible to the public.

    Stop donors from hiding behind secret-money groups.
    Elections are being flooded with big money funneled through groups with secret donors. These secretive groups spend money directly to influence elections and make unlimited contributions to super PACs, which run ads to elect and defeat candidates.

    Under the Act, any organization that spends meaningful funds on political advertisements is required to file a timely online report disclosing its major donors.

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    Fix Our Broken Elections

    End gerrymandering.
    Politicians are intentionally drawing the lines around voters in order to guarantee their own re-election and give their political party an unfair advantage.

    The Anti-Corruption Act ends gerrymandering by creating independent, fully transparent redistricting commissions that follow strict guidelines to ensure accurate representation for all voters, regardless of political party.

    Let all voters participate in open primaries.
    By controlling the primaries, the political establishment controls which candidates we can vote on.

    The Act makes all candidates for the same office compete in a single, open primary controlled by voters, not the political establishment. This gives voters more control over our elections and more choices at the ballot.

    Let voters rank their top candidates, avoid “spoilers.”
    Outdated voting systems force voters to choose between the “lesser of two evils” at the ballot box or vote for a “spoiler” candidate.

    Under the Act, voters can rank their top candidates, allowing them to support their top choice without fear of inadvertently helping elect the other party’s candidate. If their top choice isn’t going to win, their vote transfers to their second choice, and so on. This makes it easier to elect independent-minded candidates who aren’t beholden to establishment special interests.

    Automatic voter registration.
    Our voter rolls and registration systems are outdated, error-prone, and costly. New and proven systems can save taxpayer money and ensure that all eligible voters are able to participate on Election Day.

    The Act automatically registers all interested eligible voters when they interact with government agencies – whether it’s when they go to the DMV, get a hunting license, apply for food assistance, or sign up for the national guard. Voters can always opt-out from being registered. Information is transmitted electronically and securely to a central source maintained by the state.

    Vote at home or at the polls.
    Election Day is a mess. Forcing voters to take time off from work and their families to stand in long lines on a Tuesday is ineffective, insecure, and outdated.

    The Act improves voter service by sending ballots to voters at home and allowing them to mail it back on their own timeframe, or drop it off at a professionally-staffed voting center. Voters can still vote in person or receive assistance at a voting center.

    Reasonable term limits.
    When elected officials are allowed to become career politicians, our elections become uncompetitive and new ideas have a harder time being heard.

    The Act sets reasonable term limits of 18 years total at each level of government, so that candidates focus on public service instead of staying in office.

    Change how elections are funded.
    Running a political campaign is expensive, but few Americans can afford to donate to political campaigns. That makes politicians dependent upon – and therefore responsive to – a tiny fraction of special-interest donors.

    The Act offers every voter a small credit they can use to make a political donation with no out-of-pocket expense. Candidates and political groups are only eligible to receive these credits if they agree to fundraise solely from small donors. The Act also empowers political action committees that only take donations from small donors, giving everyday people a stronger voice in our elections.

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    Enforce the Rules

    Crack down on super PACs.
    As a result of the Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling, the Supreme Court ruled that super PACs can spend unlimited money influencing elections, so long as they do not coordinate directly with candidate campaigns. Since then, there has been tremendous coordination between campaigns and their super PACs, making a mockery of the “independence” the Supreme Court said must exist.

    The American Anti-Corruption Act enforces the Supreme Court’s mandate by fixing the rules aimed at preventing and punishing super PAC coordination.

    Eliminate lobbyist loopholes.
    The definition of “lobbyist” is weak and outdated. As a result, lobbyists regularly avoid disclosure, and former politicians and their staff can receive big money to influence politicians without formally registering as lobbyists.

    The Act prevents lobbyists from skirting the rules by strengthening the definition of lobbying and penalizing lobbyists who fail to register.

    Strengthen anti-corruption enforcement.
    Agencies routinely fail to enforce the anti-corruption rules that already exist due to partisan deadlock – and when they are able to act, they often lack the enforcement tools necessary to uphold the law. The result is an elections system where even lax rules can be skirted or broken with impunity.

    The Act strengthens enforcement of anti-corruption laws by overhauling the broken Federal Election Commission and giving prosecutors the tools they need to combat corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    Huge disparities in income and wealth translate into comparable disparities in political influence. To see how this works, let’s look at a fairly recent example: the budgetary Grand Bargain that almost happened in 2011.

    Both the Obama administration and Republicans were staking out positions that flew in the face of public desires. A large majority has consistently wanted to see Social Security benefits expanded, not cut. A comparably large majority has consistently said that upper-income Americans pay too little, not too much, in taxes.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/o...gtype=Homepage

    For those who think Obama is a hero of the Democratic Party. He was far closer to Republicans on issues that mattered: Helping the Upper Class stay in power.
    Obama was a disaster all the way around the block, a reality that far too few Americans grasp.

    I feel good that I figured out that he was a fraud just 4 months into his butt being in the POTUS chair.
    I choose my own words like the Americans of olden times........before this dystopia arrived.

    DARK AGES SUCK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Obama was a disaster all the way around the block, a reality that far too few Americans grasp.

    I feel good that I figured out that he was a fraud just 4 months into his butt being in the POTUS chair.
    Sure. Bush was president during the economic collapse. Obama sought to put the US on better economic footing. I criticize Obama but that is still the fact.

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    The answer is that too many people decided that wealth belongs to whom ever holds it, and that it is just fine and dandy to use that wealth to pursue gaining more wealth, in the pursuit of personal greed. Those who hold wealth are custodians of that wealth, it belongs to the society, they who hold wealth have an obligation to deploy that wealth for the betterment of the all, for the greater good....to not do that leads to societal break down....you know....what America is now experiencing.

    Dont blame me...I have been on the alarms on this for over three decades.
    I choose my own words like the Americans of olden times........before this dystopia arrived.

    DARK AGES SUCK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    Sure. Bush was president during the economic collapse. Obama sought to put the US on better economic footing. I criticize Obama but that is still the fact.
    The fact is that all of our recent Presidents have been no where near good enough, because the system is broken, America is broken.

    But Obama fooled me for awhile....I believed in him for about a year, till we voted him in and he betrayed us, till he made no effort to do what he said he was going to try to do.
    I choose my own words like the Americans of olden times........before this dystopia arrived.

    DARK AGES SUCK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Its the purpose of government.
    More like it is one of the most common corrupt practices of big government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    The answer is that too many people decided that wealth belongs to whom ever holds it, and that it is just fine and dandy to use that wealth to pursue gaining more wealth, in the pursuit of personal greed. Those who hold wealth are custodians of that wealth, it belongs to the society, they who hold wealth have an obligation to deploy that wealth for the betterment of the all, for the greater good....to not do that leads to societal break down....you know....what America is now experiencing.

    Dont blame me...I have been on the alarms on this for over three decades.

    I don't really care about the ethics of a wealthy person. No nation can survive with a small ownership class and withering middle class.

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