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    Default Conservative used to mean

    Being patriotic
    Supporting the United States government
    Supporting our clandestine intelligence services over foreign agencies
    Supporting the US taking a robust leading role in international affairs, IGOs
    Supporting science and scientists and scientific opinion
    Supporting democracy at home and abroad
    Supporting democratic governments and opposing autocratic and despotic ones
    Respecting the judiciary
    Enjoying the cultural influence of Hollywood and homegrown culture
    Supporting public education and an informed populous
    Supporting professionalism and ethics in journalism
    Applauding merit and exceptionalism
    Supporting reservation of a pristine wilderness
    Valuing fidelity within the family
    Safeguarding the population from pandemic
    Safeguarding the elderly both financially by social security and by caring for their health and welfare


    What the fuck happened? How did you ALL become so persistently, pervasively and deviently deplorable, evil and stupid?

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    And it used to mean opposing RUSSIA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    And it used to mean opposing RUSSIA.
    Thats 1,2,3,5,6,8,

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    There is just so much wrong with this guy.

    What a big faker.

    If this is how he got through college he must have cheated.

    He hasn't done any of the required reading for being Prez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Being patriotic
    Supporting the United States government
    Supporting our clandestine intelligence services over foreign agencies
    Supporting the US taking a robust leading role in international affairs, IGOs
    Supporting science and scientists and scientific opinion
    Supporting democracy at home and abroad
    Supporting democratic governments and opposing autocratic and despotic ones
    Respecting the judiciary
    Enjoying the cultural influence of Hollywood and homegrown culture
    Supporting public education and an informed populous
    Supporting professionalism and ethics in journalism
    Applauding merit and exceptionalism
    Supporting reservation of a pristine wilderness
    Valuing fidelity within the family
    Safeguarding the population from pandemic
    Safeguarding the elderly both financially by social security and by caring for their health and welfare


    What the fuck happened? How did you ALL become so persistently, pervasively and deviently deplorable, evil and stupid?
    Conservatives were always like this.


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    Conservatism has sold out to Trumpism, interesting to see what they do when Trump disappears, but look at the bright side, when ever the next Democrat come to power, we will have endless whataboutisms invoking the Trump standard

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    The absence of any Republicans posting in this thread means they can't rebut or confront the truth. Win.

    Thanks for confessing to being deplorable scum traitors to the USA. No renounce your citizenship and get the fuck out.

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    Clearly never understood conservatism. Not surprising.
    "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin
    The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Being patriotic
    Supporting the United States government
    Supporting our clandestine intelligence services over foreign agencies
    Supporting the US taking a robust leading role in international affairs, IGOs
    Supporting science and scientists and scientific opinion
    Supporting democracy at home and abroad
    Supporting democratic governments and opposing autocratic and despotic ones
    Respecting the judiciary
    Enjoying the cultural influence of Hollywood and homegrown culture
    Supporting public education and an informed populous
    Supporting professionalism and ethics in journalism
    Applauding merit and exceptionalism
    Supporting reservation of a pristine wilderness
    Valuing fidelity within the family
    Safeguarding the population from pandemic
    Safeguarding the elderly both financially by social security and by caring for their health and welfare

    What the fuck happened? How did you ALL become so persistently, pervasively and deviently deplorable, evil and stupid?
    So, what does it mean now?

    I also think that many of your claims about what conservatives believe are completely wrong as well.

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    Let's go through this list:

    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Being patriotic (and Conservative)
    Supporting the United States government
    This is chock full of qualifiers. For a Conservative, more government is not something they would support. Big government is anti-thematic to Conservative values. Certainly a government that has bloated Socialist and Social-welfare programs galore are equally opposed by Conservatives.
    So, on the whole, this is a very qualified position.

    Supporting our clandestine intelligence services over foreign agencies
    Okay, so what's your point? The Democrats prefer these to do domestic spying and (as with the Steele dossier) prefer foreign agencies work with them.

    Supporting the US taking a robust leading role in international affairs, IGOs
    This is untrue. Conservatives are not globalists nor are they highly supportive of IGO's like the UN, WHO, World Court, IMF, etc. Those most supportive of these things are Leftists and Progressives.

    Supporting science and scientists and scientific opinion
    Another one that needs qualification. Conservatives support science and scientists when there is discourse and consideration of all positions on a subject. Unqualified support of science and scientists occurs on the Left and with Progressives who also will regularly shout down any opposed position, eg., "The science is settled!"

    Supporting democracy at home and abroad
    Agreed. That would be a Conservative position.

    Supporting democratic governments and opposing autocratic and despotic ones
    Agreed. The converse is often true of the Left and Progressives as a note.

    Respecting the judiciary
    Very qualified statement. Conservatives absolutely abhor legislating from the bench something the more Progressive Leftist branch of the judiciary practices widely and regularly. Thus, Conservatives rail against the way gay marriage was legalized. In that case, 35 states had democratically voted against it and in some even changed their constitution (including California) to ban it. Yet, the courts ruled in favor of it mostly by Progressive and Leftist judges.

    Enjoying the cultural influence of Hollywood and homegrown culture
    That was when Hollywood wasn't nearly monolithically Progressive Leftist. From the 40's to the 80's there was a considerable number of veterans and Conservatives in Hollywood, including many prominent actors / actresses. Since then, that number has declined to near zero.

    Supporting public education and an informed populous
    Conservatives still do. The problem is pubic education is overrun today with Progressive Leftists spewing idiocy that has created a semi-literate to illiterate population. So much so, that many universities and colleges now offer remedial courses to bring freshmen up to college level work because they're so unlearned from their pathetic public school education.

    Supporting professionalism and ethics in journalism
    Hard for a Conservative to support journalism when the MSM is 80 to 90% Progressive Leftist, Liberal, and Democrat.

    Applauding merit and exceptionalism
    They still do this.

    Supporting reservation of a pristine wilderness
    With Conservatives, this is very qualified. They as a rule don't see federal land as something that should sit fallow for the most part. That would be Progressive Leftist environmentalists. Conservatives would argue for "best use" rather than "pristine wilderness."

    Valuing fidelity within the family
    That is a Conservative value.

    Safeguarding the population from pandemic
    No, Conservatives would argue that the best safeguard is individual responsibility rather than government fiat. An indicator of this is that as you move Right, the wearing of masks is less supported, closing down the economy becomes unsupported. These things are most supported by the Progressive Left.

    Safeguarding the elderly both financially by social security and by caring for their health and welfare
    That would be a Progressive Leftist value. Conservatives would say that you are responsible for your financial security and health, not the government or society.

    What the fuck happened? How did you ALL become so persistently, pervasively and deviently deplorable, evil and stupid?
    I can see that as usual, the Progressive Left doesn't have a clue what the Right / Conservatives are thinking and saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Let's go through this list:




    This is chock full of qualifiers. For a Conservative, more government is not something they would support. Big government is anti-thematic to Conservative values. Certainly a government that has bloated Socialist and Social-welfare programs galore are equally opposed by Conservatives.
    So, on the whole, this is a very qualified position.



    Okay, so what's your point? The Democrats prefer these to do domestic spying and (as with the Steele dossier) prefer foreign agencies work with them.



    This is untrue. Conservatives are not globalists nor are they highly supportive of IGO's like the UN, WHO, World Court, IMF, etc. Those most supportive of these things are Leftists and Progressives.



    Another one that needs qualification. Conservatives support science and scientists when there is discourse and consideration of all positions on a subject. Unqualified support of science and scientists occurs on the Left and with Progressives who also will regularly shout down any opposed position, eg., "The science is settled!"



    Agreed. That would be a Conservative position.



    Agreed. The converse is often true of the Left and Progressives as a note.



    Very qualified statement. Conservatives absolutely abhor legislating from the bench something the more Progressive Leftist branch of the judiciary practices widely and regularly. Thus, Conservatives rail against the way gay marriage was legalized. In that case, 35 states had democratically voted against it and in some even changed their constitution (including California) to ban it. Yet, the courts ruled in favor of it mostly by Progressive and Leftist judges.



    That was when Hollywood wasn't nearly monolithically Progressive Leftist. From the 40's to the 80's there was a considerable number of veterans and Conservatives in Hollywood, including many prominent actors / actresses. Since then, that number has declined to near zero.



    Conservatives still do. The problem is pubic education is overrun today with Progressive Leftists spewing idiocy that has created a semi-literate to illiterate population. So much so, that many universities and colleges now offer remedial courses to bring freshmen up to college level work because they're so unlearned from their pathetic public school education.



    Hard for a Conservative to support journalism when the MSM is 80 to 90% Progressive Leftist, Liberal, and Democrat.



    They still do this.



    With Conservatives, this is very qualified. They as a rule don't see federal land as something that should sit fallow for the most part. That would be Progressive Leftist environmentalists. Conservatives would argue for "best use" rather than "pristine wilderness."



    That is a Conservative value.



    No, Conservatives would argue that the best safeguard is individual responsibility rather than government fiat. An indicator of this is that as you move Right, the wearing of masks is less supported, closing down the economy becomes unsupported. These things are most supported by the Progressive Left.



    That would be a Progressive Leftist value. Conservatives would say that you are responsible for your financial security and health, not the government or society.



    I can see that as usual, the Progressive Left doesn't have a clue what the Right / Conservatives are thinking and saying.
    Give you credit for a content based rebuttal, and a good deal of the topics are too general, could apply to both sides of the isle, but you are turning a blind eye to several gimmes

    “Big Government is anti-themantic to conservative values” yet a whole lot of conservatives do blindly support the current Administration which has not only extended Gov’t’s reach, but also increased the power of the Executive Branch

    “Conservatives absolutely abhor legislating from the bench,” yet again no one would accuse the Roberts Court of judicial restraint, Heller and Citizens United alone prove this contradiction

    “Valuing fidelity within the family,” I don’t think this one needs much elaboration given the right’s reluctance to apply the same value to the President’s behavior. We had a model First Family with the last Administration and a dominate theme of the right then was “family values,” a need to return to “family values,” yet today, given the circumstances, it is a forgotten theme

    Nothing is noted regarding fiscal conservatism, supposedly a basic column of conservatism. During any past Democrat Administration all we heard about was deficits and debt, yet, even before the pandemic, the current Administration, even while enjoying a good economy, not only piled on the debt but at the same time escalated discretionary spending, all with the approval of the right

    There are others, but that is enough to start, the point being what is conservatism going to stand for when Trump exits? Democrats have for the last century pretty much held the same principles, they view Gov’t as a vehicle of change, yet with Trump, the GOP has abandoned many of their defining principles

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