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Thread: Free will and original sin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Another great show but I haven't seen the latest season....haven't finished Westworld either.
    I'm only on Season three of the Expanse, but it was a very pleasant surprise. Great characters, and the political aspects are really well done. Characters are not cliche. Sorry for the diversion, back on topic!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Evolution has nothing to do with spirituality, or even ethics.
    One would have to be pretty stupid to confuse the two.
    Well, consider who you are responding to. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    Original Sin by itself is enough to ignore Christianity.
    Teaching your children that they are born "bad" and need to believe in a mythological figure to avoid damnation is akin to child abuse, IMO. Children must be taught moral behavior, of course. But that can be done w/o loading them with guilt over a false belief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed. Given that, it doesn't make sense for God to create an entire universe of rules then break those rules for a small group of people who have "found Jesus" or kneel at their bed and pray for a new bicycle.
    Or as I said to my Mom, who was a devout Xtian and taught Sunday School, when I was 9 or 10: "Why would God make so many people and then have most of them go to hell because they didn't know about Jesus?" I've never gotten a satisfactory answer to that question, and therefore have found my own path to what I consider to be the Divine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Teaching your children that they are born "bad" and need to believe in a mythological figure to avoid damnation is akin to child abuse, IMO. Children must be taught moral behavior, of course. But that can be done w/o loading them with guilt over a false belief.
    I was taught that. Took me a very long time to see how horrible and...unchristian the dogma is. Why does God hate me?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    I was taught that. Took me a very long time to see how horrible and...unchristian the dogma is. Why does God hate me?!
    :~( How did you work past that?

    I was raised Lutheran. Mom tried to soften the original sin blow by blaming it all on Adam and Eve but in the end it all boiled down to: You are a bad person and God is watching you and knows when you fuck up, so you better pray for forgiveness every single day. Bah.
    Years later I had a bumper sticker that said "Born right the first time."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Or as I said to my Mom, who was a devout Xtian and taught Sunday School, when I was 9 or 10: "Why would God make so many people and then have most of them go to hell because they didn't know about Jesus?" I've never gotten a satisfactory answer to that question, and therefore have found my own path to what I consider to be the Divine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    :~( How did you work past that?

    I was raised Lutheran. Mom tried to soften the original sin blow by blaming it all on Adam and Eve but in the end it all boiled down to: You are a bad person and God is watching you and knows when you fuck up, so you better pray for forgiveness every single day. Bah.
    Years later I had a bumper sticker that said "Born right the first time."

    I worked past it through my own work in philosophy and art. To paraphrase Chico Marx: Who are you going to believe? Priests, ministers, you parents or your own mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Do YOU accept the 'Theory of Original Sin'? THAT was the point of my response. No one is 'confusing' anything here ... other than YOU.
    Learn how to write then
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed. Given that, it doesn't make sense for God to create an entire universe of rules then break those rules for a small group of people who have "found Jesus" or kneel at their bed and pray for a new bicycle.
    May want to re-read your Bible, youre getting it all wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    May want to re-read your Bible, youre getting it all wrong.
    Jewish Bible names themselves as chosen by God. And, you know, Jesus was a Jew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    Thanks. Like Cypress I am interested in learning more about your beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    I worked past it through my own work in philosophy and art. To paraphrase Chico Marx: Who are you going to believe? Priests, ministers, you parents or your own mind.
    Good for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Good for you.
    As I said to some fundamentalists: Why would God want me to be stupid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    May want to re-read your Bible, youre getting it all wrong.
    You mean the books written by desert nomads over the course of a few thousand years? Prove I'm wrong. Prove the Bible is 100% accurate....despite what science says.

    IMO, God created the Universe and set it up to create intelligent beings. We have brains; the expectation by God is that we should use them.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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