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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Left out the "with comprehension" part. Makes a big difference.
    Not necessarily. I have the feeling that you are twisting the meaning of that word. You appear to want it to mean "while believing this whole thing is god talking."

    Obviously if you read it believing that, all the contradictions in the mythology seem to be truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Not necessarily. I have the feeling that you are twisting the meaning of that word. You appear to want it to mean "while believing this whole thing is god talking."

    Obviously if you read it believing that, all the contradictions in the mythology seem to be truth.
    No. I hold a degree in English so literature is something im familiar with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Yes, the English civil war and the religious wars of 16th century made Europe pretty unappealing!
    If I lived in the time of colonial America, I would align with William Penn's Pennsylvania colony, not the Puritan Massachusetts Bay colony.
    Agreed Penn's colony would be much better even if he was pacifist Quaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Yes, it is.

    It's too bad that the book has been weaponized by some.
    Human beings weaponize anything they like....and often do. It's what makes us "special".

    I forget the author but there's a SF story about First Contact which turns to be only a one-way first contact since the aliens were the ones that nurtured and grew the human race. It seems peace reigned throughout the universe and no one knew how to fight so they found simians on Earth and crossbred them to become the fiercist, bloodiest killers the Universe had ever seen.
    Lucky us! Woot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Absolutely nothing! They are more conducive to mellowness though, than snarling at ppl on a political forum. lol
    ...which is why I think too many of our nastiest posters are alkies or just low on Lithium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    No. I hold a degree in English so literature is something im familiar with.
    Awesome. So how does the ol' Argument from Authority make the Bible a book direct from God?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Awesome. So how does the ol' Argument from Authority make the Bible a book direct from God?
    Read it and you will find out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Read it and you will find out.
    Intelligent people know that Argument from Authority, much less bullshit replies, is a logical fallacy.

    You don't have to discuss the topic if you aren't comfortable with it, don't know the answer to the question or because you're afraid you'll look like Trump; a fucking moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    No. I hold a degree in English so literature is something im familiar with.
    Awesome!

    Just like a reader who opens up the first book of Tolkien's LOTR trilogy, a reader of the Bible must be prepared to suspend disbelief and rationality, and prepare to immerse him/herself into the realm of fantasy.

    Or just treat it as a semi-fictional work of history, literature, wisdom, the human condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Intelligent people know that Argument from Authority, much less bullshit replies, is a logical fallacy.

    You don't have to discuss the topic if you aren't comfortable with it, don't know the answer to the question or because you're afraid you'll look like Trump; a fucking moron.
    You expect God to be logical?
    You fist have to accept that there can be something more than yourself. Until then you are just a devil's advocate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    You expect God to be logical?
    You fist have to accept that there can be something more than yourself. Until then you are just a devil's advocate.
    Yes. God created the Universe and everything in it. All the laws, all the functions. Everything. To study the Universe and learn how it works is science, but it's also studying the Divine. The Universe is logical.

    Yes, there's something more than myself. I believe in an all powerful force in and outside the Universe. I believe there is more to existence than what we see. As the OP mentioned, I believe in the philosophy that the purpose of life is to become one with the Divine. What do you believe in, other than adhering "religiously" to a 2000 year old series of books?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    I meant Jesus being God is an arbitrary association with no truth for us living in the US in 2020.
    I find no fault with people who genuinely attempt to live their lives in emulation Jesus.

    Irrespective of whether he was actually divine.

    "To the Orthodox Christian the goal of human life is union with the divine, a process they call theosis. The essence of this process is the ongoing effort to be like Christ. For most, it will take an entire life’s work."
    There are a lot of persons, including some on this board, who see Trump as the model of a successful life - rich, spoiled, and with the capacity and wealth to fuck porn actresses on a whim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I find no fault with people who genuinely attempt to live their lives in emulation Jesus.

    Irrespective of whether he was actually divine.

    There are a lot of persons, including some on this board, who see Trump as the model of a successful life - rich, spoiled, and with the capacity and wealth to fuck porn actresses on a whim.
    Agreed about those following the same path as Jesus. The same goes for those who follow Buddha's path.

    OTOH, others see Trump as a person who solely seeks self-gratification, even at the expense of those close to him. He epitomizes narcissism. If he actually believed in a God or gods, he's be worshiping the Greek god Dionysus (Bacchus in Rome).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed about those following the same path as Jesus. The same goes for those who follow Buddha's path.

    OTOH, others see Trump as a person who solely seeks self-gratification, even at the expense of those close to him. He epitomizes narcissism. If he actually believed in a God or gods, he's be worshiping the Greek god Dionysus (Bacchus in Rome).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed about those following the same path as Jesus. The same goes for those who follow Buddha's path.

    OTOH, others see Trump as a person who solely seeks self-gratification, even at the expense of those close to him. He epitomizes narcissism. If he actually believed in a God or gods, he's be worshiping the Greek god Dionysus (Bacchus in Rome).


    Trump worships Satan. Dionysus is the God of intoxication.

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