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Thread: Free will and original sin

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    You are a troll. Goodbye.
    Dear jacksonsprat22, You are good enough, Repeat this Chant:
    Doggone it, I'm going to become Senator from the state of Minnesota.
    May your hinney be Charmin clean!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    Hard to believe that God wants Catholic Priests, who rape children, to be our moral leaders.
    If there is a Biblical God, I'm pretty sure that he also doesn't care much for suicide bombers and those who egg them on, millionaire megachurch frauds, and TV preachers who claim they can heal people through the TV, aslongasyousendthemmoney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    If you read it with comprehension you will understand. If you google it you wont.
    Hmm. As a young person I read the Bible cover to cover 2-3 times. Well, except the __ begat __ part. lol It is filled with human wisdom, experience, poetry. But in the end, it is still a book written by humans and heavily edited by others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Its funny how lefties accuse you of exactly what they do.

    Ill make it simple for you: if youre not as spiritual person you never understand these things. You cannot accept that there might be something greater than yourself then you will never be open to understanding.
    One day you will get it.
    Please don't equate "spiritual" with "religious." They are distinctly different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    If there is a Biblical God, I'm pretty sure that he also doesn't care much for suicide bombers and those who egg them on, millionaire megachurch frauds, and TV preachers who claim they can heal people through the TV, aslongasyousendthemmoney.
    WOW. Are all the demonic acts out there are due to organised religious adherents?
    I never saw those old Dragnet episodes.
    Happydays and Mayberry RFD really neglected these senarios.

    So America has the most imprisoned numbers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    The Protestant tradition has some principles that are utterly untenable to me.

    First and foremost, Luther claims one is saved by grace alone, not good works.

    In theory, Luther thought it was okay to curse, be rude, crude, and belligerent. Because nothing one does makes any difference in salvation. It is strictly up to grace. Calvin was even scarier. Predestination means that before the beginning of time God selected some to be saved and the rest to be damned. It was all decided before you were born and there is nothing you can do to improve your chances of salvation.

    Again, this scary stuff is particular to Protestants. Not to all Christians, and certainly not Eastern Christians. The Protestant traditions scares the bejesus out of me!
    I can see why; seen through the eyes of the adult that I am now, much of it is pretty horrifying. Original sin, predestination, you are only saved if you do/believe ____, a god who casts most of his creations into eternal hellfire, etc. etc. You've probably never belonged to a fundie church, have you? I did for a couple of years in my 20s. They are even MORE rigid and narrow-minded than the above. Not only are all non-Xtians going to hell, so are most members of other Xtian denominations. Except of course for theirs. There is a chance that everyone could repent and adopt their ways, but that was the only chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    WOW. Are all the demonic acts out there are due to organised religious adherents?
    I never saw those old Dragnet episodes.
    Happydays and Mayberry RFD really neglected these senarios.

    So America has the most imprisoned numbers?
    Extrapolate much?

    Take a couple more hits from that bong. Maybe you could get even more incoherent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Extrapolate much?

    Take a couple more hits from that bong. Maybe you could get even more incoherent.
    No surprise fundamentalists are incoherent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    We had a poster here who believed animals swam to Noah from Australia, dinosaurs were on the ark and animals were in suspended animation so Noah didn’t have to feed them.
    Which is one reason I like to belong to a political forum: Schadenfreude.

    Some people are so obviously victims of genetic malformation or mental illness that I can count my blessings and say "Well, I may be fucked up but I'm not that fucked up!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    Yes, ignore his impeachment. Only third in US history. Fake news.
    Seriously? Are you just pissed off or are you really so fucking stupid that you think you can lie about me and get away with it. Are you over 30? Over 70? Jesus Fucking Christ, get a clue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Seriously? Are you just pissed off or are you really so fucking stupid that you think you can lie about me and get away with it. Are you over 30? Over 70? Jesus Fucking Christ, get a clue.
    Nothing you said makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    If you're going to taunt like a grade schooler I won't bother with you.
    You mean like this?:
    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    Yes, ignore his impeachment. Only third in US history. Fake news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    Nothing you said makes sense.
    Then forget it and move on. Good luck in life, son, because you are certainly headed for a hard stop at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    I can see why; seen through the eyes of the adult that I am now, much of it is pretty horrifying. Original sin, predestination, you are only saved if you do/believe ____, a god who casts most of his creations into eternal hellfire, etc. etc. You've probably never belonged to a fundie church, have you? I did for a couple of years in my 20s. They are even MORE rigid and narrow-minded than the above. Not only are all non-Xtians going to hell, so are most members of other Xtian denominations. Except of course for theirs. There is a chance that everyone could repent and adopt their ways, but that was the only chance.
    Its unfortunate this country was founded by the Puritans, we got off to a bad start right there!

    My experience is limited to the Eastern Orthodox church and a few years with Quakers when my Mama dabbled with the Society of Friends.

    Neither the Eastern tradition nor the Quakers had any kind of preoccupation with fire and brimstone, nor was I ever made to feel I was fundamentally flawed and stained by original sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Extrapolate much?

    Take a couple more hits from that bong. Maybe you could get even more incoherent.
    In his case, I think English is a second language.

    Besides, what's wrong with bong hits?
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