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    *Trump tweeted, "Despite the constant negative press covfefe"..........lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Yeah, I don't live in retardville, idk what else to say.
    Oh! I got something: What would you do to make the US better?
    Good and fair question.

    If I could waive my magic wand here would be my priorities:

    1. Single payer health care. Before you scream socialism, here are the elements of what I'd do. Cover every single American for annual wellness visits, all preventative screenings, and hospitalizations. Allow employers to offer plans to their employees (like Medicare Advantage), and have a public option to compete with private plans. People could opt in to those plans (for a premium) or take basic coverage provided by 'Medicare for All'. Focus our health care priorities on prevention. We spend a ridiculous amount of money on people with diabetes and heart disease that are easily preventable by changing lifestyles and more tightly regulating food manufacturers. Sugar is killing people. Require Advanced Illness counseling. Half of our Medicare dollars are spent on people in the last year of the life. Doctors want to treat people. We have to allow people to make the choice to forgo treatment. From personal experience, I know many patients are pressured to 'fight' but are happier when they stop their treatments and focus on comfort.

    2. Reform social security. If number 1 is effective, we will see an uptick in life expectancy, and we have not funded social security to adequately address that. We should look at what income is taxed to fund social security. We can easily increase revenues.

    3. Raise the minimum wage. Yes, this will cause some inflation. Inflation is not inherently bad if it wages are rising at the same rate.

    4. Tax reform. We are not taxing top incomes at anywhere near the rate they should be taxed. As part of the tax reform, we impose the one time wealth tax to retroactively address the disparity in wages and wealth.

    5. Make public colleges free. I need to think about how exactly this would look, but it would involve raising admission standards and lowering costs. Other countries educate their best and brightest, we 'educate' our richest. That's stupid. We need to do the same for trade schools.

    Those are a start. As part of all of this we need to address racial inequality, but much of what I'm proposing would do exactly that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Good and fair question.

    If I could waive my magic wand here would be my priorities:

    1. Single payer health care. Before you scream socialism, here are the elements of what I'd do. Cover every single American for annual wellness visits, all preventative screenings, and hospitalizations. Allow employers to offer plans to their employees (like Medicare Advantage), and have a public option to compete with private plans. People could opt in to those plans (for a premium) or take basic coverage provided by 'Medicare for All'. Focus our health care priorities on prevention. We spend a ridiculous amount of money on people with diabetes and heart disease that are easily preventable by changing lifestyles and more tightly regulating food manufacturers. Sugar is killing people. Require Advanced Illness counseling. Half of our Medicare dollars are spent on people in the last year of the life. Doctors want to treat people. We have to allow people to make the choice to forgo treatment. From personal experience, I know many patients are pressured to 'fight' but are happier when they stop their treatments and focus on comfort.

    2. Reform social security. If number 1 is effective, we will see an uptick in life expectancy, and we have not funded social security to adequately address that. We should look at what income is taxed to fund social security. We can easily increase revenues.

    3. Raise the minimum wage. Yes, this will cause some inflation. Inflation is not inherently bad if it wages are rising at the same rate.

    4. Tax reform. We are not taxing top incomes at anywhere near the rate they should be taxed. As part of the tax reform, we impose the one time wealth tax to retroactively address the disparity in wages and wealth.

    5. Make public colleges free. I need to think about how exactly this would look, but it would involve raising admission standards and lowering costs. Other countries educate their best and brightest, we 'educate' our richest. That's stupid. We need to do the same for trade schools.

    Those are a start. As part of all of this we need to address racial inequality, but much of what I'm proposing would do exactly that.
    Very well-thought-out. There is no reason why we cannot afford to do these things. You've got my vote!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Good and fair question.

    If I could waive my magic wand here would be my priorities:

    1. Single payer health care. Before you scream socialism, here are the elements of what I'd do. Cover every single American for annual wellness visits, all preventative screenings, and hospitalizations. Allow employers to offer plans to their employees (like Medicare Advantage), and have a public option to compete with private plans. People could opt in to those plans (for a premium) or take basic coverage provided by 'Medicare for All'. Focus our health care priorities on prevention. We spend a ridiculous amount of money on people with diabetes and heart disease that are easily preventable by changing lifestyles and more tightly regulating food manufacturers. Sugar is killing people. Require Advanced Illness counseling. Half of our Medicare dollars are spent on people in the last year of the life. Doctors want to treat people. We have to allow people to make the choice to forgo treatment. From personal experience, I know many patients are pressured to 'fight' but are happier when they stop their treatments and focus on comfort.

    2. Reform social security. If number 1 is effective, we will see an uptick in life expectancy, and we have not funded social security to adequately address that. We should look at what income is taxed to fund social security. We can easily increase revenues.

    3. Raise the minimum wage. Yes, this will cause some inflation. Inflation is not inherently bad if it wages are rising at the same rate.

    4. Tax reform. We are not taxing top incomes at anywhere near the rate they should be taxed. As part of the tax reform, we impose the one time wealth tax to retroactively address the disparity in wages and wealth.

    5. Make public colleges free. I need to think about how exactly this would look, but it would involve raising admission standards and lowering costs. Other countries educate their best and brightest, we 'educate' our richest. That's stupid. We need to do the same for trade schools.

    Those are a start. As part of all of this we need to address racial inequality, but much of what I'm proposing would do exactly that.
    Socialism!
    Actually some of those ideas aren't half bad!
    I disagree with the socializing of medicine, though. That's a no-go.
    That's why people from Canada come here to get fixed up before they die by waiting on the government medicine there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Socialism!
    Actually some of those ideas aren't half bad!
    I disagree with the socializing of medicine, though. That's a no-go.
    That's why people from Canada come here to get fixed up before they die by waiting on the government medicine there.
    Two things on that. First, the provider side remains fully private, although there would be a single fee schedule rather than multiple schedules and crazy contracts from individual plans. Second, on the payer side, while there is a single payer for the basic coverages, the plans I mentioned would be for profit plans administered by the insurance companies. It's really a hybrid plan with both public and private components. The most critical thing is that employers could still offer those private plans to employees, and they could still share in the cost, but the bulk of those premiums would come from the single payer. I do appreciate the question and the response. I actually consult with Medicare Advantage plans so I know how they work, and I think the model can be expanded to the larger population. Keep 'em coming. I like this type of discussion better than the trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Yeah, I don't live in retardville, idk what else to say.
    Oh! I got something: What would you do to make the US better?
    Make Trump resign immediately.
    kag: to choke something down in disgust

    Keep America Gagging

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Make Trump resign immediately.
    you have no policies or visions. merely hating trump is not a platform.

    this is why you are losing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Good and fair question.

    If I could waive my magic wand here would be my priorities:

    1. Single payer health care. Before you scream socialism, here are the elements of what I'd do. Cover every single American for annual wellness visits, all preventative screenings, and hospitalizations. Allow employers to offer plans to their employees (like Medicare Advantage), and have a public option to compete with private plans. People could opt in to those plans (for a premium) or take basic coverage provided by 'Medicare for All'. Focus our health care priorities on prevention. We spend a ridiculous amount of money on people with diabetes and heart disease that are easily preventable by changing lifestyles and more tightly regulating food manufacturers. Sugar is killing people. Require Advanced Illness counseling. Half of our Medicare dollars are spent on people in the last year of the life. Doctors want to treat people. We have to allow people to make the choice to forgo treatment. From personal experience, I know many patients are pressured to 'fight' but are happier when they stop their treatments and focus on comfort.

    2. Reform social security. If number 1 is effective, we will see an uptick in life expectancy, and we have not funded social security to adequately address that. We should look at what income is taxed to fund social security. We can easily increase revenues.

    3. Raise the minimum wage. Yes, this will cause some inflation. Inflation is not inherently bad if it wages are rising at the same rate.

    4. Tax reform. We are not taxing top incomes at anywhere near the rate they should be taxed. As part of the tax reform, we impose the one time wealth tax to retroactively address the disparity in wages and wealth.

    5. Make public colleges free. I need to think about how exactly this would look, but it would involve raising admission standards and lowering costs. Other countries educate their best and brightest, we 'educate' our richest. That's stupid. We need to do the same for trade schools.

    Those are a start. As part of all of this we need to address racial inequality, but much of what I'm proposing would do exactly that.
    Removing healthcare from companies would take the cost of it plus the handling of it off their backs making them instantly more competitive with companies in countries that do not put that cost on their businesses. Our system is stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    you have no policies or visions. merely hating trump is not a platform.

    this is why you are losing.
    Can you articulate Trump's vision for his second term? If you can, you are way ahead of Trump. When asked that question, he just babbled. I'm not sure what your definition of losing is. I thought if you were ahead in every poll, you were winning. But maybe you can explain to me why that's wrong. LOL at you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Can you articulate Trump's vision for his second term? If you can, you are way ahead of Trump. When asked that question, he just babbled. I'm not sure what your definition of losing is. I thought if you were ahead in every poll, you were winning. But maybe you can explain to me why that's wrong. LOL at you.
    more pushback on china. more anti globalism. getting out of entangling alliances. more telling the u.n. and w.h.o. to fuck off.
    bringing troops home from bad engagements around the world.

    now you go. whats the dem vision?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Can you articulate Trump's vision for his second term? If you can, you are way ahead of Trump. When asked that question, he just babbled. I'm not sure what your definition of losing is. I thought if you were ahead in every poll, you were winning. But maybe you can explain to me why that's wrong. LOL at you.
    Screw over most everyone. Fleece America for every penny that I can get.
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