Gretatest Sports figures of Alltime

**klaatu** · 07-29-2006, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Dixie

CHUCK NORRIS!

lol

Over Bruce Lee?

**AnyOldIron** · 07-29-2006, 07:21 AM

The greatest sportsman in history was Jocky Wilson.

**Cypress** · 07-29-2006, 10:08 AM

Gretatest Sports figures of Alltime

Since the thread title doesn't specify "american" sports, Pele or some other soccer superstars should be in here.

Pele is far more recognizable worldwide than Wilt Chamberlin.

**klaatu** · 07-29-2006, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Cypress

Gretatest Sports figures of Alltime

Since the thread title doesn't specify "american" sports, Pele or some other soccer superstars should be in here.

Pele is far more recognizable worldwide than Wilt Chamberlin.

Besides Pele .. go ahead and be my guest.... list them.

I wont because Im not a soccer fan ....

List some NASCAR legends as well ... and how about Tennis?

Bjorn Borg
Jimmy Conners
John Mcenroe

Bowling .... who can forget Don Carter?

Golf ... how about this great International Sport? Was there any greater than the Golden Bear himself?

**AnyOldIron** · 07-29-2006, 11:48 AM

Besides Pele .. go ahead and be my guest.... list them.

George Best, Bobby Moore, Eusibio, Johan Cruyff, Maradona...

**Timshel** · 07-29-2006, 08:18 PM

Bullshit! Ryan was plagued by poor run support throughout his career. In 72 he had a 2.28 era and was 19-16! In 81 he had a 1.69 era and almost half of his games were a loss or no decision! A pitcher cannot be judged objectively on his win-loss record alone because games are one by teams.

Ryan was a fucking specimen and his mechanics were perfection. Anyone who wants to know how to pitch should watch him and possibly no one else.

**Timshel** · 07-29-2006, 08:19 PM

one = won

***Damocles*** · 07-29-2006, 10:00 PM

There's this thing called an edit button...

**Timshel** · 07-30-2006, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Damocles

There's this thing called an edit button...

Yeah, klaatu should use it to go back and add Ryan.

I saw it after the fact.

**charver** · 07-30-2006, 02:15 AM

If anyone was going to add Justin Gatlin, the 100m world record holder, i wouldn't bother anymore.

**klaatu** · 07-30-2006, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by RStringfield

Bullshit! Ryan was plagued by poor run support throughout his career. In 72 he had a 2.28 era and was 19-16! In 81 he had a 1.69 era and almost half of his games were a loss or no decision! A pitcher cannot be judged objectively on his win-loss record alone because games are one by teams.

Ryan was a fucking specimen and his mechanics were perfection. Anyone who wants to know how to pitch should watch him and possibly no one else.

I think you should go back and I read what I said ... I agree that he was a great Hall of Fame Pitcher, no doubt about it! I just wouldnt list him amongst the top 10 or 15 greatest Pitchers. The year you cited was a good example where he did pitch great and was a victim of poor run support. But if you look at the 70's which was a low run scoring era, a Pitcher with an ERA in the high 3's is probably equal to a Pitcher in the high 4's today.. Nolan was in that range quite a bit.
Look at Fergie Jenkins, in 1974 he went 25-12 with 6 shutouts, 22 complete games and 2.8 ERA. His team won a total of 79 games.
In 1972 Steve Carlton went 27-10, 8 shutouts and a 1.92 ERA! His team won a total of 62 games! Now that may be one of the greatest years ever.
Wins dont mean everything but they do mean something.

**Timshel** · 07-30-2006, 09:57 AM

Look at Ryan's win percentage compared against his teams win percentage then do the same for Carlton. They're almost identical. Ryan had a lower winning percentage than his team did 9 out of 25 years, Carlton 9 out of 20 years (in seasons where both apperared at least 20 times).

Wins are very important but you cannot judge a pitcher on them alone. The team behind you makes too much of a difference.

**TheDanold** · 07-31-2006, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by Cypress

Russel and Chamberlin were surrounded by talent.

Jordan was a one-man show. He carried the Bulls to six championships. The bulls supporting talent was way over rated.

Look at how well the allegedly "awesome" scottie pippen fared, without jordon in the mix.

Ahahahaha, this really shows me you know nothing. Wilt WAS the team, he didn't have the great supporting cast that Russell did with the Celtics.
That changed way later on when Wilt was teamed with Jerry West in the Lakers, but for most of his career, he was the only decent player on his team.

And Jordan could not win it either until Scottie Pippen arrived. He also had the best rebounding help from Dennis Rodman, the best 3-point shooter in Steve Kerr, not to mention possibly the greatest coach in Phil Jackson.
PLENTY of talent on the bulls championship teams.