Jordan Peterson Speaks Again!

[Nordberg]

Or maybe it is so much better than what you are able to comprehend that this is what you say.

Yep, a righty with personal attacks. You guys are so childish.

[StoneByStone]

The point made by the writer is the following: failure to use a person’s pronoun of choice — “ze,” “zir,” “they” or any one of a multitude of other potential non-words — will land you in hot water with the commission. That, in turn, can lead to orders for correction, apology, Soviet-like “re-education,” fines and, in cases of continued non-compliance, incarceration for contempt of court.

There are several articles out there that state that the incarceration claim is false, but they actually corroborate many of the other claims. Here's a good example: https://factcheck.afp.com/no-canadia...gender-pronoun

Milne said the malicious misuse of a pronoun could be used to highlight a wider pattern of discrimination, but jailing someone is not a possible outcome for these type of lawsuits. The entity providing services could have to pay damages or send the concerned worker to sensitivity training, but not without other proof of discrimination.

In other words, the fines and "re-education" are real. The difference between this law and American anti-discriminatory laws is that the state here does not get involved in things like "sensitivity training", whereas the Canadian government does. It's very different for an employer to require an employee to take said training vs. having the state require it. That's when things get Orwellian.

Peterson claimed that the law made it illegal to misgender someone.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

Peterson claimed that the law made it illegal to misgender someone.

that's a fair reading.

[StoneByStone]

that's a fair reading.

Well, so far nobody in Canada has been arrested for misgendering someone.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

Well, so far nobody in Canada has been arrested for misgendering someone.

regardless, the law is in place. that matters.

[StoneByStone]

regardless, the law is in place. that matters.

It's not. The law Peterson is referring to just gets people fired for purposely misgendering people. He was lying when he said people could get arrested.

[Saudade]

Peterson claimed that the law made it illegal to misgender someone.

How different is that statement from the state going to the trouble of using misgendering as evidence of legally actionable discrimination?

[StoneByStone]

How different is that statement from the state going to the trouble of using misgendering as evidence of legally actionable discrimination?

It's the difference between going to jail and getting fired. That's a huge difference. And the law is only for government jobs, which makes perfect sense. Public jobs are funded by the public, so they shouldn't allow discrimination based on things like gender.

[Saudade]

It's the difference between going to jail and getting fired. That's a huge difference. And the law is only for government jobs, which makes perfect sense. Public jobs are funded by the public, so they shouldn't allow discrimination based on things like gender.

Actually, no. It applies to the following: the federal government, federal services to the public, or a federally regulated industry. Much of that is government, but a lot of private jobs fall under "federally regulated industry."

[StoneByStone]

Actually, no. It applies to the following: the federal government, federal services to the public, or a federally regulated industry. Much of that is government, but a lot of private jobs fall under "federally regulated industry."

Well yeah, if the federal government is involved, it's only fair that the people funding that government are protected. Though I do think private companies should have more autonomy, so I'm not totally in agreement with Canada's laws.
But the point is, the laws in Canada aren't much different than the laws in America. So Peterson was lying. It's not illegal to misgender someone.

[Hawkeye10]

Yep, a righty with personal attacks. You guys are so childish.

If you lie or think badly expect to be called out, for the good of everyone.

[Hawkeye10]

There is a drought of authenticity and courage, and Peterson has found that hunger, and he has tapped into it...

[Nordberg]

Or maybe it is so much better than what you are able to comprehend that this is what you say.

I don't think so.

[Nordberg]

Or maybe it is so much better than what you are able to comprehend that this is what you say.

I don't think so.

[TexanManWithPlans]

That is some really shitty writing.

It is. I thought I was reading something by a teenager attempting a pastiche of nineteenth-century writing.