"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
PoliTalker (07-15-2020)
Let's make it clear. The deal stopped Iran from making a nuke. They were watched by all the signatory countries. they were not making a nuke. Trump pulled out, because he is an asshole, and they are making them now. Trump made the world a more dangerous place because he is so childish and petty. The deal was excellent. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/08/u...act-check.html
PoliTalker (07-15-2020)
From your link:
WHAT MR. TRUMP SAID
“The very defective J.C.P.O.A. expires shortly anyway and gives Iran a clear and quick path to nuclear breakout.”
This is exaggerated. The major provisions limiting Iran’s nuclear capabilities last a decade or longer. And the agreement increased the “breakout” period — the time it would take Iran to produce enough fuel for one weapon — to at least a year from an estimated two to three months. If the deal had been left in place and fully adhered to, Iran would not have been able to achieve nuclear breakout until 2030.
From the link within your link: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/w...otiations.html
Pressed on that point, an American official who briefed reporters on Tuesday said that Iran’s long-term plans to expand its enrichment capability would be shared with the International Atomic Energy Agency and other parties to the accord.
“It is going to be a gradual decline,” the official said. “At the end of, say, 15 years, we are not going to know what that is.” But clearly there are intelligence agency estimates, and one diplomat involved in the talks said that internal estimates suggested Iran’s breakout time could shrink to about five months in year 14 of the plan.
Secretary of State John Kerry, who led the negotiations for the United States in the final rounds, sought in his remarks Tuesday to blunt criticism on this point. “Iran will not produce or acquire highly enriched uranium” or plutonium for at least 15 years, he said. Verification measures, he added, will “stay in place permanently.”
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
PoliTalker (07-15-2020)
Ah the Iran deal that's an interesting one. Gave them billions of dollars, including cash and they were still working on nukes. Trump did pull out and imposed sanctions which I think was a better move instead of feeding them money and allowing them to finance the terrorist actions they are involved in.
OK, you do not know how it worked. I figured that anyway. . https://www.vox.com/2015/8/26/920721...al-10-15-years
Do you feel better now? Do you feel properly righteous?
Thanks for the link: "That said, it is true that there will be more restrictions during those first 10 and 15 years than after. The provisions that end after 10 years include the number of centrifuges Iran is allowed to have and the restriction barring it from researching more advanced centrifuges. The most important provision that lasts for 15 years is probably the cap on the amount of low-enriched (energy-grade) uranium that Iran is allowed to have."
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
That is not enough centrifuges to make a nuke. However, it takes a lot more than that. They would have to restart the construction of the buildings and manufacture to start after 15 years. Assuming that is what they want to do. yes, they have nukes for medicine. That is not bomb making. Trump's brilliant idea has them hot into making a bomb now. How does that make you feel better?
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PoliTalker (07-15-2020)
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
PoliTalker (07-15-2020)
Phantasmal (07-15-2020)
Since DT has no actual leadership skills in his toolbox, he uses the only one he has: media manipulation.
One of the first things Biden should do if elected would be to re-establish the Iran nuke deal. Redo what DT undid. That should be a piece of cake. Everybody already agreed to it once after a lot of negotiating work.
Then, let the dust settle for years. The deal buys lots of time. Later, when this all becomes the past, begin negotiating the next deal.
It's not rocket science. It's diplomacy.
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Phantasmal (07-15-2020)
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
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