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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post


    Real ones would, for sure.
    ....or real ones who really retired and were not fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Start by getting rid of "Closed shop" laws and making the country "Right to work." If workers are not forced to join a union, many will choose not to. That limits the ability of unions to shake down workers for dues, particularly if a worker disagrees with the union. It also limits their ability to use dues money for political purposes as they would have less of it particularly from workers who disagree with their politics.

    Unions didn't make America's middle class. Social and physical (ability to move to other places) mobility did. America for most of its history has one of the highest land ownership rates of any large country. That and the lack of a rigid social hierarchy allowed people to accumulate wealth. You want to destroy the middle class? Fix social hierarchy so people are pigeon holed into a specific place on that ladder and make them renters.
    By federal law you cannot be compelled to join any union; in Agency Fee Payer states while you cannot be forced to join a union, you can be required to pay a fee equal to the costs associated with contract maintenance and bargaining fees; in right-to-work states you cannot be forced to join a union nor pay any costs as well. We call call them "freeloaders" since they are covered by the contract and unions are legally forced to represent them and pay nothing towards the costs which I feel is unfair but that's the law.

    If the country wants a national right-to-work law, the unions should not be forced to represent the non-union employees in the bargaining unit aside from making sure they receive the same wages or higher.

    In a side note; we have a shop in Miami (right-to-work state) that was composed of approximately 200 represented employees but only 8 were paying members of the union. Every four years when it would be time to bargain for a new contract (which would affect them as well), they'd all join the union, paying the $2.00 initiation fee, vote on a contract and when once ratified they'd all resign en mass. This really pissed off the regular dues paying members, so we fixed that problem by changing the initiation fee from $2.00 to $1,000. Boy were the non-union guys upset at that but there was nothing they could do about it and when the next time contract talks came up only another 20 or so were willing to pay the fee, but they all stayed as members. There is more then one way to skin a cat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Only way to defund teacher unions is to have them all quit the union.
    But you are correct that public sector unions are a needless and harmful thing. Not to mention they're about the only ones left.
    The only way for the teachers in right-to-work state to "defund" the teachers unions would be to conduct a denitrification vote; theoretically if all the teachers were to quit I think the union would simply let the contract in existence expire and "walk away" although most teachers are smart enough not to do that since it would leave them at the mercy of their employers and most of them know how that goes.

    The public sector unions are not about the only ones left; there are over 7,500,000 or 6. 4% private sector members of unions and 7,187,000 or 33.9% of public sector members of unions.

    So to say that public sector union are about the only ones left, is not true. Likewise to say they are a needless and harmful thing is is debatable. Perhaps you could elaborate more on this as to why you feel that way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamewell45 View Post
    The only way for the teachers in right-to-work state to "defund" the teachers unions would be to conduct a denitrification vote; theoretically if all the teachers were to quit I think the union would simply let the contract in existence expire and "walk away" although most teachers are smart enough not to do that since it would leave them at the mercy of their employers and most of them know how that goes.

    The public sector unions are not about the only ones left; there are over 7,500,000 or 6. 4% private sector members of unions and 7,187,000 or 33.9% of public sector members of unions.

    So to say that public sector union are about the only ones left, is not true. Likewise to say they are a needless and harmful thing is is debatable. Perhaps you could elaborate more on this as to why you feel that way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed. Not to mention that it's a violation of the First Amendment to shut down freedom of association. Notice that there are no calls for "Defunding Police Unions" because only a fucking moron believes unions are government funded.
    Do you think police unions are a good idea, that they do good work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Do you think police unions are a good idea, that they do good work?
    Yes, just like teacher's and airline pilot unions. OTOH, sometimes unions get too much power and destroy the company, and themselves, such as with the UAW in the 1970s. The best way, IMO, is to maintain a balance between management and labor, yin-yang. If either get too powerful, the whole machine starts to corrode and fail. At the moment, most private company unions are effectively neutered, which is bad, but public unions have become too powerful. That makes it hard to get rid of "problem children"; the corrupt, incompetent and dangerous.
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