Statues and what to do with them.

[Cypress]

I am sure that Trotsky was far more to your liking. Do you mind if I pick your brains?

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As Per usual, your assumptions, guesswork, and extrapolations about me are not only incorrect, but usually 180 degrees removed from the actual truth.

From everything I have been told, my immediate relatives and most extended family were aligned with or sympathetic to the White Army.

As leader of the Red Army, Trotsky was a traitor to both Russian nationalism and to the liberal ideals of Russian democratic socialists.

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Much later is the nature of history.

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As Per usual, your assumptions, guesswork, and extrapolations about me are not only incorrect, but usually 180 degrees removed from the actual truth.

From everything I have been told, my immediate relatives and most extended family were aligned with or sympathetic to the White Army.

As leader of the Red Army, Trotsky was a traitor to both Russian nationalism and to the liberal ideals of Russian democratic socialists.

So you're not into trepanning then, you never know it could help you!

[Iolo/Penderyn]

As Per usual, your assumptions, guesswork, and extrapolations about me are not only incorrect, but usually 180 degrees removed from the actual truth.

From everything I have been told, my immediate relatives and most extended family were aligned with or sympathetic to the White Army.

As leader of the Red Army, Trotsky was a traitor to both Russian nationalism and to the liberal ideals of Russian democratic socialists.

Well, fair play, he could hardly be a traitor to things he never believed in, could he? In fact, like the rest of the Bolsheviks, the situation they were in led them to decide the working class had to be 'led' to revolution, with the results you'd expect to follow from 'leadership' always and everywhere - disaster. The human race has to grow up if it wants to survive.

[Cypress]

Well, fair play, he could hardly be a traitor to things he never believed in, could he? In fact, like the rest of the Bolsheviks, the situation they were in led them to decide the working class had to be 'led' to revolution, with the results you'd expect to follow from 'leadership' always and everywhere - disaster. The human race has to grow up if it wants to survive.

You're right, I made a poor word choice. The Bolsheviks despised liberalism and democratic socialism. So more accurately, they were enemies of liberal democracy and democratic forms of socialism.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Penderyn,

I know that the subject of racist statues has been quite big in the South of the USA, and thought you would like to know that one of the first good effects of the Black Lives Matter uprising has been to get rid of a really nasty one over here, in what has been, in my experience, the most racist place in the UK, Bristol. For years, ever since I lived in the place, people have been discussing getting rid of the statue of that disgusting pioneering slave-trader and one-time tory mayor of the city, Colson. At last, yesterday, the people took the nasty old bugger and chucked him into the docks (near, I was pleased to see, a pub where I once sank too much scrumpy cider for the first and last time). Bristol is a beautiful city inhabited, alas, by Bristolians, who used, when they had no 'black' people to bully, to pick on us 'Welsh', so I was delighted to see that amongst those slinging him into the healing waters were lots of pink skinned as well as brown-skinned people. The resistance to your incurable police has spread good ideas everywhere! Congratulations to the BLM movement - and also to the authority in Milwaukie who are planning to clean the racist bullyboys away!

I never knew the history of Cecil Rhodes until all this flap about statues was thrust into the forefront. I never knew what it meant to be a Rhodes Scholar. Wow. What a pompous racist Rhodes was. His name needs to be removed from anything having to do with higher learning. Rhodes, a total white supremacist, was instrumental in South African apartheid, as he acquired fast wealth in the diamond industry, essentially using power and influence to take what was in Africa to build his own wealth. It is a mixed story as he used some of that wealth to further education at Oxford University, but it has been tainted with heavy racism. "In June 2020 the governing body of Oxford's Oriel college voted to remove the statue of Rhodes" - wiki