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    [QUOTE=T. A. Gardner;3694523]I just noticed the list of demands in the letter. The idiocy of the writer just keeps getting better and better...



    So, they want Socialism or even Communism. Will the above be in parallel with a private system or will that be abolished? I'd expect it abolished in the name of Economic and Social Justice. That is, everybody gets the same crappy healthcare except a privileged elite that tacitly ignores the rules and has their own good healthcare.
    The second part means that they are for a one-world dictatorship rather than nations.

    [quote]-Universal basic income WITH a federal job guarantee, under which the federal government becomes the “employer of last resort.” Involuntary unemployment is a function of profiteering by fascist capitalist oligarchs who are willing to sacrifice the lives of others for their own enrichment. It must end.

    So, I no longer have to work. I can be a lazy, worthless bum and get paid big bucks for it. Nice. Of course, the best combination would be take the government income and then work in the black market, "under-the-table" to make good money through illegal trade, barter, etc., as was done widely in say, the Soviet Union. Best of two worlds. I get 'free' money from the government and then work to get more money the government doesn't know about all the while undermining and stealing from the government to fund my illicit activities. I'd call that a win-win in my book.



    Who cares? I don't have to join a union if I don't officially work and take the universal basic income while operating outside the system in the black market.



    Okay, so you turn universities into crappy schools of poor education too. Or, are you going to invoke that everyone has a "Right" to a high school diploma, maybe even a Bachelor's? If so, we can print these on toilet paper and put them in public restrooms so everybody can have as many as they want when they want in exercising their Right to one.



    Define "effective." What happens if I don't want to better myself and just take the free money from the universal basic income you put in place? Then what? Re-education camps with forced labor? What if all I do--assuming you force me into taking these things--is pay lip service to them and ignore implementing any of that in favor of just being a lazy slob on the government dole instead? Is it off to the gulag if you don't?



    And, if I don't demonstrate any of that, then what? Execution? Gulag? Prison? What is the "stick" to your carrot? How can you make me do any of that if I don't want to? Worse, what about people too stupid to get that stuff? There are people that are just dumb. What happens to them? Labor camps? Maybe a nice concentration camp with gas chambers...




    Ah the joys of reading Pravda! Nothing like a government controlled media telling you what to think. Your version has the government filtering the information to present what they think is important or that the public should know.
    That last bit is so idiotic it defies all reason. COVID 19 will be gone and forgotten like small pox or the Spanish flu is today within a couple of years. That statement is so myopic to history and the future that it shows the letter writer to be an utter and complete idiot, as if the rest of his or her screed doesn't.



    Nothing like informers and snitches to keep the proles in line...

    What the letter writer wants is 1984, or maybe North Korea's dysfunctional society. Maybe another version of Cuba on steroids. How about just a Venezuela...

    No thanks.
    Democracy is not possible with this rampant inequality that only these very common sense rights can guarantee and that is a fact! Leave no one behind...E PLURIBIS UNUM. It's even on the fucking money the sock-cucking Oligarchs are destroying this nation for. That's patriotism not wearing MAGA hats.
    BLUEXIT
    A Modest Proposal For Separating Blue States From Red

    Dear Red-State Trump Voter,
    Let’s face it, guys: We’re done.


    It is a tragedy that so much of the work that so many men and women toiled at for so long to make this a better country, and a better world, has been thrown away, leaving us all in such needless peril.

    This is why our separation in all but name is necessary.


    https://newrepublic.com/article/1409...mp-red-america

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    Democracy is not possible if the government controls everything and is the sole arbiter of society and the economy. Social and Economic Justice as called for by the Left results in fair and equal only because everyone is equally repressed and equally devalued economically.

    Sure, in a Capitalist system things aren't fair and equal, but in a reasonably free society you are able to get ahead and make a good life for yourself socially and economically if you put in the effort. In a Socialist or Communist society you are limited to what the government gives you and determines you should have.

    What you want to avoid in the later is a nation dominated by government as that gives those with wealth (the rich) and power the ability to make laws, rules, and regulations that benefit just themselves while keeping the majority from getting ahead. Socialist and Communist systems just concentrate such power exponentially in favor of the few rich and powerful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Somebody assumed the power and knowledge they did not have?
    Sooo, the people who wrote this letter are illigitimate?
    Every life matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Where did you find that?
    Google.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Google.
    I did. BTW, Google is not a source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Democracy is not possible if the government controls everything and is the sole arbiter of society and the economy. Social and Economic Justice as called for by the Left results in fair and equal only because everyone is equally repressed and equally devalued economically.

    Sure, in a Capitalist system things aren't fair and equal, but in a reasonably free society you are able to get ahead and make a good life for yourself socially and economically if you put in the effort. In a Socialist or Communist society you are limited to what the government gives you and determines you should have.

    What you want to avoid in the later is a nation dominated by government as that gives those with wealth (the rich) and power the ability to make laws, rules, and regulations that benefit just themselves while keeping the majority from getting ahead. Socialist and Communist systems just concentrate such power exponentially in favor of the few rich and powerful.
    Democracy is not possible with this rampant inequality that only very common sense SOCIAL polices and rights can guarantee and that is a fact! Leave no one behind...E PLURIBIS UNUM. It's even on the fucking money the sock-cucking Oligarchs are destroying this nation for. That's actual patriotism...not wearing MAGA hats.

    Unless you live absolutely off the grid, you are partaking in and utilizing Democratic Socialism every single day.

    "Privatize the Profits/Socialize the Losses" is the motto the corporate elite live by. And that needs to end!
    Last edited by Cinnabar; 06-06-2020 at 01:12 AM.
    BLUEXIT
    A Modest Proposal For Separating Blue States From Red

    Dear Red-State Trump Voter,
    Let’s face it, guys: We’re done.


    It is a tragedy that so much of the work that so many men and women toiled at for so long to make this a better country, and a better world, has been thrown away, leaving us all in such needless peril.

    This is why our separation in all but name is necessary.


    https://newrepublic.com/article/1409...mp-red-america

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Democracy is not possible if the government controls everything and is the sole arbiter of society and the economy. Social and Economic Justice as called for by the Left results in fair and equal only because everyone is equally repressed and equally devalued economically.

    Sure, in a Capitalist system things aren't fair and equal, but in a reasonably free society you are able to get ahead and make a good life for yourself socially and economically if you put in the effort. In a Socialist or Communist society you are limited to what the government gives you and determines you should have.

    What you want to avoid in the later is a nation dominated by government as that gives those with wealth (the rich) and power the ability to make laws, rules, and regulations that benefit just themselves while keeping the majority from getting ahead. Socialist and Communist systems just concentrate such power exponentially in favor of the few rich and powerful.
    Rightys speaking for what the left wants. It is always wrong. The left does not want socialism. It is like all other ideologies. it does not exist in the real world. The so-called socialist countries have corporations, private businesses, and people have jobs and change them at will. The left wants to stop our steady move to plutocracy. We are turning into a nation of haves and have not. The wealth and power accumulation at the top is extreme. Our wealth gap is horrible. But, power is money, money is power. That is why the poor have no voice. But the wealthy speak loudly. people with money don't talk, they swear. They lie. They cheat.
    A country with extreme wealth gaps is not secure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    I did. BTW, Google is not a source.
    Oh, so you found the NY Times article on it. And the other liberal sources. Good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    Democracy is not possible with this rampant inequality that only very common sense SOCIAL polices and rights can guarantee and that is a fact! Leave no one behind...E PLURIBIS UNUM. It's even on the fucking money the sock-cucking Oligarchs are destroying this nation for. That's actual patriotism...not wearing MAGA hats.

    Unless you live absolutely off the grid, you are partaking in and utilizing Democratic Socialism every single day.

    "Privatize the Profits/Socialize the Losses" is the motto the corporate elite live by. And that needs to end!
    We have equality in this country what you communist pigs want is equality of outcome at the point of a gun which leads to nothing but equality of misery. There is no racial inequality it doesn't exist, blacks come into contact with police disproportionately more because they commit disproportionately more crime, they aren't as successful because they have disproportionately lower IQs as a population. These are facts not open to debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Who the FBI and CSA are saying is responsible- WHITE SUPREMACIST HATE GROUPS using SOCIAL MEDIA to incite and recruit!

    Stay up with the news please!
    No they aren't you lying faggot they have not demonstrated that white nationalists were in anyway involved in the actual violence. Provide the name and affiliations of a single white nationalist of the hundreds of rioters arrested across the country you stupid fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Are you against fascism?
    Antifa is anti fascist just like the Peoples Democratic Republic of North Korea is a democracy you stupid fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeSpeech View Post
    No they aren't you lying faggot they have not demonstrated that white nationalists were in anyway involved in the actual violence. Provide the name and affiliations of a single white nationalist of the hundreds of rioters arrested across the country you stupid fuck.
    Stop projecting your homosexuality off on others!

    Stop your eccentric denial of the truth!

    Stop your paranoid behavior and Conspiracy theories.

    Stop being an asshole and antagonist here in the forum.

    Why expose your personality disorders here in the forum for all to see?

    Just basically get yourself in order dude! For heaven's sake!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeSpeech View Post
    Antifa is anti fascist just like the Peoples Democratic Republic of North Korea is a democracy you stupid fuck.
    Are you really this retarded? Honest question.

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