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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Who do you think that is?
    Who the FBI and CSA are saying is responsible- WHITE SUPREMACIST HATE GROUPS using SOCIAL MEDIA to incite and recruit!

    Stay up with the news please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Who do you think that is?
    Popeye, the loser man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Who the FBI and CSA are saying is responsible- WHITE SUPREMACIST HATE GROUPS using SOCIAL MEDIA to incite and recruit!

    Stay up with the news please!
    The FBI? That "honorable" institution? Wake up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    ANTIFA indictments to come
    I wouldn't be too sure about that one;

    "FBI has no intelligence indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims"

    https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-...rotests-2020-6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourbon View Post
    Someone will have to read it to Trump or provide Pictures
    He has a Bachelor of Sciences in Economics form Wharton...how about you, little man?
    TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    Dear Mr. Trump:

    Let us be perfectly clear:

    “Antifa” isn’t an organization. There’s no membership, no meetings, no dues, no rules, no leaders, no structure. It is, literally, an idea and nothing more. Even the claim of this author to represent “Antifa” is one made unilaterally for the purposes of this communication and nothing more; there is no governing body nor trademark owner to dispute the author’s right to represent “AntiFa.”

    “Antifa” is a neologism constructed from a contraction of the phrase “anti-fascist.” The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.

    The ostensible president of the United States has, today, openly declared that he is a fascist, and that he intends to turn the military power of the United States into a fascist tool.

    Now there is no question, and we can stop pretending that this man represents anything but the worst in humanity, which his supporters embody.

    And that is the only effect his words will have. It will likely be no problem for LEO to identify the author of this document, who also has maintained the “AntiFa” page on Facebook since founding it in 2017.

    The author of this document is unconcerned with that inevitability because neither that author, nor this document, has been involved in a crime of any sort in any way.

    But, since both the “president” and the media insist on acting as though “AntiFa” is this big, scary organization, the author supposes it’s time for “AntiFa” to make a statement.

    Thus:
    “AntiFa supports and defends the right of all people to live free from oppressive abuse of power, whether that power is unjustly derived from wealth, status as an employer, or political popularity.

    Particularly, AntiFa defends and supports the right of oppressed and marginalized people to protest, march, and engage in civil disobedience in pursuit of justice. While it is never our intent to engage in violent or destructive behavior, we cannot and will not take responsibility for telling people how they are allowed to be righteously outraged.

    We prefer and encourage non-violent action. We also understand that some people just aren’t feeling that nice anymore. Their feelings are entirely justified, and it is neither our role nor our privilege to tell them otherwise.

    Mass civil disobedience is what happens when people say they’re hurting and whoever’s hurting them refuses to stop.

    Stop hurting them. Fix your broken systems. Get real and meaningful psychological evaluations and background checks - police in some nations have to pass a more stringent test to carry pepper spray than any police department in the US, or the US military, have in place. As a direct and possibly deliberate consequence, our military and paramilitary personnel simply cannot be assumed to be fighting in the interests of the people of this country.

    We’ve all seen the photos. This destruction and burning and looting is largely the behavior of outsiders; white people taking advantage of the situation both to enrich themselves by looting under cover of the protests, and to provide excuses for uncontrolled fascist elements within our military and police forces as plausible cover for killing more black, brown, and poor people without fear of sanction.

    The so-called “accellerationists” who have committed to ensuring that, any time a marginalized community stands up and demands justice, construct a narrative of criminality and destruction that white bigots and affluent oligarchs who benefit from our broken system to validate their bigotry and injustice retroactively. They are successful in this for two reasons: because people like you are easily manipulated in your banal, self-serving ignorance, and because people like you are more than happy to passive-aggressively reap the benefits of pretending to believe this destruction is the act of the oppressed.

    This game has gone on for decades on an endless loop since the very dawn of the civil rights era, and we the people are saying ‘no more.’”

    And that, “President” Trump, is your solution. No more. Get the dirt out of your law enforcement and your military. Get the dirt out of your government and administration. Ideally, resign now and take your VP and cabinet with you; Nancy Pelosi isn’t a great deal of improvement, but she’ll only be president for a few months.

    You can’t arrest 100 million of us, sir, and you would be well-advised not to try. If you think that targeting and “making an example of” the author of this document will get you anywhere, you may rest assured that this author is more than prepared to allow his real name to be used as a rallying cry for justice and civil disobedience from coast to coast.

    It is time for you and everyone who thinks like you to understand that whether black, red, brown, white, or any other color, Americans are done living in a nation of empty platitudes and broken promises.

    Traditionally, this type of document is accompanied by a list of “demands.” Here are our demands:

    -Universal single payer health care, without regard for citizenship status.

    -Universal basic income WITH a federal job guarantee, under which the federal government becomes the “employer of last resort.” Involuntary unemployment is a function of profiteering by fascist capitalist oligarchs who are willing to sacrifice the lives of others for their own enrichment. It must end.

    -The abolition of “right to work laws” which do exactly the opposite of ensuring anyone’s right to work.

    -Publicly funded higher education.

    -Robust and effective social welfare programs to include child care, education, employment training and counseling, parenting skills training, and life skills training including fiscal education.

    -A requirement that functional proficiency in media, political, and economic literacy be demonstrated to graduate high school.

    -The creation of a publicly funded non-partisan media source to serve as the primary source of government information, to be overseen and managed day to day by a coalition of well-known communicators, political scientists, and other experts in propaganda to strip ALL bias from official information before it is broadcast. -Federal charges of treason filed against anyone willfully and knowingly attempting to minimize public perception of the impact and risks of the coronavirus.

    -Reform of whistleblower laws to ensure they have teeth, and particularly to ensure that a whistleblower, acting in good faith, is not identified to the public, ever.

    In the end, Mr. “President,” the simple reality is that “AntiFa” isn’t a thing. You can’t end it, you can’t arrest it, and you can’t silence it. Nor, in any decent nation, would the attempt even be made.

    “Antifa” means “Anti-Fascism.”

    The only position that opposes that is fascism. In the end, there is no “organization” that you can “declare terrorists.”

    You, sir, and yours, are the terrorists, and your victims are done putting up with it. America is not, in spite of having an openly admitted fascist as “president,” a fascist nation. We’ve had wars about this. The fascists are 0-2.

    Please, Mr. “President” - let’s not try to make it 0-3? Because it will never, ever be 1-2, and none of us wants to see the death toll from your attempt to make it so.

    Currently, media and other actors wishing to contact this author may do so through the page. Should Mr. Zuckerberg, who has displayed plenty of authoritarian and fascist tendencies himself, decide not to host that page any longer, this document will be updated.

    Best Regards,
    “AntiFa.”
    WHO SENT IT???
    TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    Trump is desperate to deflect the blame, even if the scapegoat doesn't exist.
    When some thug decides to burn a business or police car or police station, loot stores, assault citizens and murder policemen, Trumper, the president has squat culpability...squat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    WHO SENT IT???
    the Russians !! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourbon View Post
    Someone will have to read it to Trump or provide Pictures
    Only if you add several trump accolades to keep his attention
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    I wouldn't be too sure about that one;

    "FBI has no intelligence indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims"

    https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-...rotests-2020-6
    pretty sad. the FBI has become so politicized it can't see street fighters? No way could white sumpremecists field these gangs. The NATION link goes on and on about internet advocacy by such -and I'm sure that is true
    but on the ground violence by that group is impossible to say it did all that.

    That's FBI headquarters ( which is a basket case under Wray) but we'll see if the field offices come up with indictments .thanks for teh link

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    haha - some little kid first says there is no central organization, then speaks for them

    Bernie - your voters need to crack a book

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    The FBI? That "honorable" institution? Wake up.
    Comey's legacy (7th floor)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    When some thug decides to burn a business or police car or police station, loot stores, assault citizens and murder policemen, Trumper, the president has squat culpability...squat.
    Earl I'm not disputing the President as authority, but chasing moon shadows is kind of ridiculous.

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    “Antifa” isn’t an organization. There’s no membership, no meetings, no dues, no rules, no leaders, no structure. It is, literally, an idea and nothing more. Even the claim of this author to represent “Antifa” is one made unilaterally for the purposes of this communication and nothing more; there is no governing body nor trademark owner to dispute the author’s right to represent “AntiFa.”

    “Antifa” is a neologism constructed from a contraction of the phrase “anti-fascist.” The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
    Wow! What a complete and utter fallacy that is!

    First, to be an organization, all it takes is a group of persons of like minds getting together for an expressed, common purpose. That "(t)here's no... meetings..." is clearly fallacious unless the video posted recently on Antifa on this board by another member (the video made by Project Veritas) is completely fabricated for which no proof of that has been offered.

    So, Antifa is an organization. It has named affiliates like Rose City Antifa (Portland OR), Emerald City Antifa, Dallas Antifa, WNC Antifa, Philly Antifa, Upstate Antifa (in S. Carolina), or Four Corners Antifa. Clearly, with so many named groups it is an "organization."
    Certainly, the radical Leftist group Crimethinc thinks and calls Antifa an organization directly and indirectly.

    https://ja.crimethinc.com/tags/antifa

    The previous originating group from which Antifa sprung (which still exists as well) BAMN is considered by the FBI as organized crime and a terrorist group.

    Certainly Antifa has sufficient structure to put up a website like the Torch Network as well.

    https://torchantifa.org/
    https://torchantifa.org/chapters/

    I'd also say this hammers the idea that Antifa has no organization as a complete falsehood as well:

    https://antifaresearch.org/organizational-structure/

    As for the second paragraph, Antifa has clearly demonstrated a propensity for violence and that, at least in my view, makes those who would advocate violence--which includes by definition anyone in, advocating for, or supporting Antifa, not a "decent human being" and therefore a fascist by the OP's author's definition. Not a good way to start off trying to justify what is clearly a violent, terrorist group of thugs and criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    An Open Letter From ANTIFA to Trump
    Since you like terrorists so much, maybe you can dig up some open letters from ISIS and Al qaeda too.

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