Biden Proposes Training Cops to Shoot Attackers in the Leg to Reduce Fatalities

[Underdog]

There seems to be an ingrained custom of 'shooting the person to death'. Other countries have laws about shooting people below the waste, like in their butt.
I think there must be some Police Motto of "Dead men tell no Tales".

you really don't want to bring other countries into this discussion as there is one key difference, they simply don't shoot people like we do.

[Jack]

Thats the mentality we need to change, we don't need to shoot at people not shooting at us or advancing a threat on us.

Where's the Proposals?
Where's the Legislation?
Lots of hand-wringing going on.

[Jack]

you really don't want to bring other countries into this discussion as there is one key difference, they simply don't shoot people like we do.

THAT'S probably a good reason to bring other countries into the discussion.

[moon]

you really don't want to bring other countries into this discussion as there is one key difference, they simply don't shoot people like we do.

Izraelis shoot Palestinians for traffic offenses. They call collisions ' terrorist attacks '

The US government gives them billions of dollars to do this.

[countryboy]

yes, the femoral artery is what I was referring to. There are times when you see some dumb shit wielding a knife, that's what the tazer is for unless the guy is charging, then it becomes a deadly force situation. standing around screaming Ima gonna cut you, doesn't justify shooting the guy dead.

You never shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the threat, and the most effective way to do that is center mass placement. Tazers are ineffective much of the time, and should never be used in a deadly force encounter, in my opinion. So, I disagree completely with your assessment. Non lethal measures should never be used in a deadly force encounter. There may be the occasional rare instance where it can be pulled off, but I wouldn't recommend instituting it as SOP, unless the goal is to get officers maimed and killed.

[Underdog]

Where's the Proposals?
Where's the Legislation?
Lots of hand-wringing going on.

I'm an anti-social outcast, fix your society or don't. Meh

[Underdog]

You never shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the threat, and the most effective way to do that is center mass placement. Tazers are ineffective much of the time, and should never be used in a deadly force encounter, in my opinion. So, I disagree completely with your assessment. Non lethal measures should never be used in a deadly force encounter. There may be the occasional rare instance where it can be pulled off, but I wouldn't recommend instituting it as SOP, unless the goal is to get officers maimed and killed.

1. True, you shoot to stop the threat.

2. Tazers are escalation from a knife (unless advancing) cops signed up for a dangerous job, right now the job isn't as dangerous as being a garbage man.

3. if there is an uptick in officer deaths if this were implemented I would change my mind but shooting someone with a knife who is 30 feet away is not appropriate imo.

[Jack]

I'm an anti-social outcast, fix your society or don't. Meh

You've started a thread.
You've given your opinion.
You must care about Society since you've thought about it ... and given alternative police practices to adopt.

[Irish]

Biden Proposes Training Cops to Shoot Attackers in the Leg to Reduce Fatalities

https://sports.yahoo.com/biden-propo...193855367.html

Joe Biden on Monday suggested that police forces could train officers to shoot attackers in the legs in order to reduce potential fatalities.

There is “the idea that instead of standing there and teaching a cop when there’s an unarmed person, coming at him with a knife or something, to shoot him in the leg instead of in the heart,” Biden said. “There’s a lot of different things [policies] that can change.”

Biden made his remarks while meeting with African American community leaders at the Bethel AME Church in Wilmington, Del. The former vice president was discussing the widespread protests touched off by the killing of George Floyd, an African American man, at the hands of white police officers in Minneapolis, Minn.
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This is the democrats choice to beat donald trump? this man, in cognitive crisis thinks we should shoot people in the legs instead of shooting center mass... Here's a better idea, how about we just cops shooting people for non-violent crimes, how about we have gots becoming violent over non-violent crimes.


Ok joe?

Poor sleepy Joe is suffering bad Alzheimer's.

But this is the best the dims can come up with? Shoot a knife wielding suspect in the leg? He also called him an unarmed knife-wielder...

Hey Joe, a knife means ARMED!

Also, if a perp with a knife starts swinging at you, and you shoot him in the leg, he can STILL STAB YOU OR OTHER'S. This is beyond retarded.

I was watching a PD show, and a black man was over a black women with a knife. Cops yelled stop, and he said shoot me. And began stabbing the woman. Cops open fire and saved the women's life.

If sleepy Joe was in charge they would shoot this guy in the leg, and the black women would be dead!

[countryboy]

1. True, you shoot to stop the threat.

2. Tazers are escalation from a knife (unless advancing) cops signed up for a dangerous job, right now the job isn't as dangerous as being a garbage man.

3. if there is an uptick in officer deaths if this were implemented I would change my mind but shooting someone with a knife who is 30 feet away is not appropriate imo.

I respect your opinion Rev, but you are dead wrong here. A knife-wielding attacker can cover 21 ft in 1.5 seconds. https://www.uslawshield.com/the-dang...-21-foot-rule/

[Underdog]

Poor sleepy Joe is suffering bad Alzheimer's.

But this is the best the dims can come up with? Shoot a knife wielding suspect in the leg? He also called him an unarmed knife-wielder...

Hey Joe, a knife means ARMED!

Also, if a perp with a knife starts swinging at you, and you shoot him in the leg, he can STILL STAB YOU OR OTHER'S. This is beyond retarded.

I was watching a PD show, and a black man was over a black women with a knife. Cops yelled stop, and he said shoot me. And began stabbing the woman. Cops open fire and saved the women's life.

If sleepy Joe was in charge they would shoot this guy in the leg, and the black women would be dead!

That is an appropriate time to shoot a man with a knife.

[Underdog]

I respect your opinion Rev, but you are dead wrong here. A knife-wielding attacker can cover 21 ft in 1.5 seconds. https://www.uslawshield.com/the-dang...-21-foot-rule/

I know the rule which is why I stated 30 ft. and that is an NFL level of ground covering, most cannot do that.



It's all good, I don't expect everyone to adopt the reform I want to see but reform has to happen.

[countryboy]

I know the rule which is why I stated 30 ft. and that is an NFL level of ground covering, most cannot do that.



It's all good, I don't expect everyone to adopt the reform I want to see but reform has to happen.

Most cops can't put their tazer away, and draw their service weapon quickly enough. Now, if you have enough personnel on hand it may be a different story, but even then things don't always go well. There's a video, I'll see if I can find it later if I have time, where a knife-wielding attacker was surrounded by police who deployed bean bags, taser, etc, who still managed to grab an innocent bystander and stab her to death.

[Underdog]

Most cops can't put their tazer away, and draw their service weapon quickly enough. Now, if you have enough personnel on hand it may be a different story, but even then things don't always go well. There's a video, I'll see if I can find it later if I have time, where a knife-wielding attacker was surrounded by police who deployed bean bags, taser, etc, who still managed to grab an innocent bystander and stab her to death.

Anecdotals don't really help, I can find just as many opposite cases. statistics are needed, how do we get that? Change the ROE like we did in Iraq, Obama's ROE was an abysmal failure so we changed it.


as for putting tazer away and drawing weapon, that's risk of the job as well as training as well as if there is backup, yes, one on one, I can see the need to use a firearm over a taser, but if there are like 20 officers there and the guy is not advancing shooting him is innapropriate. even if just two officers were there.

[Nordberg]

When I was growing up, police said halt and fired a warning shot. It stopped people. If they had to shoot again, they went for hurting them .not killing them. Now, police empty their guns into potential criminals. The cops I knew said it eliminated the countering information. The incident is what the cops say it is.