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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Safe- for who? Yes, it may be safe if you do not have serious lung or heart issues.

    If you do, it can kill you dead in minutes.

    The side affects are well known, and they are considered Harsh, Dangerous, and unpredictable side effects.
    My friend has adult onset Still's disease. He has been on Plaquenil for the last two years, it's the only drug that can keep it under control!

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20351907

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    How were medical journals and WHO caught out over hydroxychloroquine?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...oxychloroquine

    Lancet's publication of Surgisphere review seemed to prove President Trump wrong to laud the drug hydroxychloroquine
    When the paper flagged a higher risk of death on the drug, trials were stopped all over the world,
    including a worldwide trial by WHO/ Now errors are being confirmed.
    A Guardian investigation has revealed major issues with the small US company Surgisphere that owned the database

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Safe- for who? Yes, it may be safe if you do not have serious lung or heart issues.
    like any drug that can aggravate pre-conditions -so what?

    The side affects are well known, and they are considered Harsh, Dangerous, and unpredictable side effects.
    what the hell is a "harsh" side effect? The side effects are rare under even for off label use
    which is why it's used in so many different therapies. Including COVID.

    And thats the damn shame here - patients were cut off and studies aborted over sloppy, politicized research

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grajonca View Post
    My friend has adult onset Still's disease. He has been on Plaquenil for the last two years, it's the only drug that can keep it under control!

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20351907
    right! I had forgotten the arthritis uses.
    the normal treatment of prednisone to help control inflammation has bad side effects, unlike hydroxychloroquine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Safe- for who? Yes, it may be safe if you do not have serious lung or heart issues.

    If you do, it can kill you dead in minutes.

    The side affects are well known, and they are considered Harsh, Dangerous, and unpredictable side effects.
    Liar
    I choose my own words like the Americans of olden times........before this dystopia arrived.

    DARK AGES SUCK!

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    It just does not work on Corona. There is lots of evidence piling up that way. It was a dumb Trump idea to distract from the mess he made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    It just does not work on Corona. There is lots of evidence piling up that way. It was a dumb Trump idea to distract from the mess he made.
    Tell that to the NHS, Nuttinberger.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cal-trial.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Liar
    You, of all forum members, calling me a liar is hilarious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    like any drug that can aggravate pre-conditions -so what?


    what the hell is a "harsh" side effect? The side effects are rare under even for off label use
    which is why it's used in so many different therapies. Including COVID.

    And thats the damn shame here - patients were cut off and studies aborted over sloppy, politicized research
    Still trying to cover up Donald Trump's self-interests, recklessness, and stupidity huh?

    Are you unaware that Donald Trump is heavily vested in the Pharmaceutical company that makes the damn drug?

    Donald Trump was trying to sell you SNAKE OIL and trying to get you to drink the purple Kool-Aid!

    The only people pushing this drug to treat the virus are ignorant Trumptards and Quacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    A study published on 22 May in The Lancet used hospital records procured by a little-known data analytics company called Surgisphere to conclude that coronavirus patients taking chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine were more likely to show an irregular heart rhythm—a known side effect thought to be rare—and were more likely to die in the hospital.

    Within days, some large randomized trials of the drugs—the type that might prove or disprove the retrospective study’s analysis—screeched to a halt. Solidarity, the World Health Organization’s (WHO’s) megatrial of potential COVID-19 treatments, paused recruitment into its hydroxychloroquine arm, for example.
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    the Lancet results have begun to unravel—and Surgisphere, which provided patient data for two other high-profile COVID-19 papers, has come under withering online scrutiny from researchers and amateur sleuths. They have pointed out many red flags in the Lancet paper, including the astonishing number of patients involved and details about their demographics and prescribed dosing that seem implausible

    The Lancet issued an Expression of Concern (EOC) saying “important scientific questions have been raised about data” in the paper and noting that “an independent audit of the provenance and validity of the data has been commissioned by the authors not affiliated with Surgisphere and is ongoing, with results expected very shortly.”

    Hours earlier, The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) issued its own EOC about a second study using Surgisphere data, published on 1 May. The paper reported that taking certain blood pressure drugs including angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors didn’t appear to increase the risk of death among COVID-19 patients, as some researchers had suggested.


    Meanwhile, the questions swirling around the Lancet paper have left leaders of the halted chloroquine trials weighing whether to restart. “The problem is, we are left with all the damage that has been done,” says White, a co-investigator on a trial of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 prevention that was halted at the request of U.K. regulators last week. Headlines proclaiming deadly effects will make it hard to recruit patients to key studies, he says. “The whole world thinks now that these drugs are poisonous.”

    Other researchers immediately took issue with the analysis. The study doesn’t properly control for the likelihood that patients getting the experimental drugs were sicker than the controls, says Matthew Semler, a critical care physician at Vanderbilt University. “If you have a physician sitting with two patients who have coronavirus, and the physician chooses to give one of them hydroxychloroquine, they’re doing it for a reason,” he says. The patient may be relying on high levels of supplemental oxygen, for example, or getting worse over time. But those kinds of details aren’t available about the patients in the Lancet study, he notes.

    Other researchers were befuddled by the data themselves. Though 66% of the patients were reportedly treated in North America, the reported doses tended to be higher than the guidelines set by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, White notes. The authors claim to have included 4402 patients in Africa, 561 of whom died, but it seems unlikely that African hospitals would have detailed electronic health records for so many patients, White says.

    The study also reported more deaths in Australian hospitals than the country’s official COVID-19 death statistics,
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...-be-unraveling (much more at link)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Giving hope that the experts are about to figure out something that works is not "playing with it"....it is being a leader.
    No, it's being a pollyanna. There is still no proof that the drug is effective against the virus. NONE. Hope is not a strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    The Right thinks that the Left is wrong and needs to wise the fuck up.

    The Left thinks that the Right is Evil, and must either convert or die.

    There is no equality here...The Right are the Better People.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    It just does not work on Corona. There is lots of evidence piling up that way. It was a dumb Trump idea to distract from the mess he made.
    ^Stuck on stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    thats right, and COVID patients dying of pneumonia as well. I misread your post a bit, sorry
    We have Doctors among our Motorcycle friends. I am basically getting my information about the drug from what we hear from them.

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