Which charge against Chauvin and the 3 other cops will put them in prison?

[Nomad]

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I'll try the Cliff Notes version.
4 guys took him down, sat on him, would not respond to his call for help, he died.
Short enough?
Every person alive knows they will be charged with SOMETHING.....just wondering what others in here might think the final charges will be.

From your OP....

The whole thing became premeditated after 1 minute of having him cuffed, placed on the ground and
under control. Murder 1 in my mind. But, would a jury see it that way? If it becomes too much to ask for,
those creeps might skate altogether.

First degree murder????

Really?????

They got together and planned in advance to kill the guy????

Creeps????

Do you hate cops?

Sounds like it to me.

[Stretch]

tell it to the riots/looters

Well played!

[Geeko Sportivo]

tell it to the riots/looters

Criminals are going to be criminals- at least until they are caught and convicted.

That goes for criminal cops as well BTW.

It seems everything was pretty peaceful before the Police murdered a man in front of everyone.

Then the shit hit the fan again. And here we are!

[Stretch]

From your OP....



First degree murder????

Really?????

They got together and planned in advance to kill the guy????

Creeps????

Do you hate cops?

Sounds like it to me.

Read it again. Premeditation doesn't have to mean "cooked up waaaaaaay in advance." That's why
I typed, "The whole thing became premeditated after 1 minute.

And, I think "creeps" is a pretty mild word to use on these 4 guys for what they did.

[Stretch]

More speculation and assumption.

Nobody has heard the official, DETAILED report of what happened, or seen any body cam video, etc, etc.

Nobody has heard the cops tell their side of the story, assuming they have one.

Same shit that always happens in these situations.

Everybody becomes an expert ready to share their keen, unique insight.

[tsuke]

whatever the charge, add 15 years for civil rights violation, and that's federal time

Just as there are mitigating circumstances to lessen the penalty there are also aggravating circumstances to increase them. Im sure some of them will apply.

[Nomad]

"I watched a video so I know all there is to know"

[Nomad]

Read it again. Premeditation doesn't have to mean "cooked up waaaaaaay in advance." That's why
I typed, "The whole thing became premeditated after 1 minute.

And, I think "creeps" is a pretty mild word to use on these 4 guys for what they did.

Explain how you have managed to determine what was in the minds of the officers without yet even having heard them speak or any of the evidence either for or against them?

I would be interested to know how you know certain things that common sense tells one cannot be known without an in depth examination of all the facts.

[Stretch]

Well, then you saw it as it was happening...video and audio.

[Stretch]

Explain how you have managed to determine what was in the minds of the officers without yet even having heard them speak or any of the evidence either for or against them?

I would be interested to know how you know certain things that common sense tells one cannot be known without an in depth examination of all the facts.

You saw it. You heard it. Chauvin kept taunting Floyd with "get up! get up!".
Chauvin knew he could not because he and the 3 others were on top of him. You heard it...right there in the video.

[Nomad]

Well, then you saw it as it was happening...video and audio.

A video is not necessarily the be all and end all proof in a situation like this one.
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The video doesn't measure the amount of force or pressure being applied to Floyd's body.

If you look closely at the video where Floyd is saying he couldn't breathe, you can see him moving his head and neck while Chauvin's knee appears to relax a bit, allowing the movement to occur.

I'm not saying this totally exonerates him, but it does suggest he possibly wasn't acting as brutally or crushing Floyd's windpipe as has been suggested.

Point is, we still don't know enough to make the kinds of pronouncements everyone is making.

[Nomad]

You saw it. You heard it. Chauvin kept taunting Floyd with "get up! get up!".
Chauvin knew he could not because he and the 3 others were on top of him. You heard it...right there in the video.

When have the words "get up! get up!" ever killed anyone?

Remember, that is what this is all about, not what Chauvin said to him.

Had he said "you are going to die because I'm going to kill you right here", well then that would have been altogether different.

[Stretch]

A video is not necessarily the be all and end all proof in a situation like this one.
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The video doesn't measure the amount of force or pressure being applied to Floyd's body.

If you look closely at the video where Floyd is saying he couldn't breathe, you can see him moving his head and neck while Chauvin's knee appears to relax a bit, allowing the movement to occur.

I'm not saying this totally exonerates him, but it does suggest he possibly wasn't acting as brutally or crushing Floyd's windpipe as has been suggested.

Point is, we still don't know enough to make the kinds of pronouncements everyone is making.

And, the 3 guys on his back?
Oxygen does not just come from your windpipe. It's all been explained earlier. He wasn't in the best shape anyway.
Any small constant pressure on arteries delivering oxygen in the blood to brain can be fatal. His rib cage couldn't
expand and contract from the weight of the other 3 cops, etc.

[Hawkeye10]

Do you think the 4 cops were unaware of Floyd's distress? Did they not know death can occur
with forced pressure to the back and neck? Maybe they weren't properly trained? They could claim
ignorance on the topic I suppose.
It's either that or they knew exactly what they were doing and didn't ease up even after he was deceased.
I'm just interested in what people think as to which charges will be brought.

(And, I'm not a proponent of ropes, electric chairs or lethal injections...just not a fan of the death penalty)

I think they lost situational awareness in large part because they were poorly trained.

I know that I demand a fair trial.

[Nordberg]

I don't think they planned on killing him, they just didn't care if it happened. They abuse people regularly. They have names for the people they abuse like the military had gooks, slants, Krauts and other names that takes away their humanity. Police forces are the next jobs for those we train to kill with impunity.