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    The handcuffed victim reached into his back pocket and somehow managed to swallow an overdose of the illegally obtained barbiturates he had hidden there. It was so fast the camera missed it but it proves he actually committed suicide. Does that spin work for you OP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grajonca View Post
    My main objection to waterboarding it wasn't very effective, can't say I was ever that concerned about a particularly monstrous Islamic terrorist suffering from it. Real suffering in my book is being burnt alive, electrocuted, having your genitals crushed etc. Abu Ghraib was different that was real torture to my mind.
    The United States waterboarded innocent people.

    Torture is not consistent with American values.

    If you want Muslims tortured, ask your own country to do it, and stop looking to my country to do your dirty work

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Yeah, just an amazing coincidence that all his preexisting conditions magically converged at the same moment cops were kneeling on his neck.

    Will wonders never cease?
    You DO understand that "preexisting conditions" are with one all the time, 24/7/365, right?

    I mean, there is no such thing as an occasional, intermittent, "comes & goes" heart condition.

    You understand that.... don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    ....why was he able move and reposition his head and neck at various points?

    I know this video only shows about one minute of an incident that lasted eight or nine minutes, but look closely at Chauvin's knee. He keeps relaxing or adjusting his weight, allowing Floyd to move his head around a little bit.

    Most noticeably around the :37 point....



    You can see Floyd reposition his head and Chauvin's knee seems moves a little to accommodate him as well.

    So if Chauvin was intent on using lethal or brutal force on Floyd, why would he allow even the slightest movement of the head and neck?

    Even by the sort of casual looking way Chavin seems to be crouched, it doesn't really look like he's bearing down on Floyd with all of his weight. One knee looks to be on the pavement behind Floyd, supporting most of his weight, the other is on the back of Floyd's head and neck and appears to just be attempting to hold him still.

    All I am suggesting here, before some of you start screaming RACIST!!!!! at me, is that there are too many unanswered questions to be condemning Chauvin for at this stage.

    If, when the autopsy report is released, it affirms that Floyd died as the result of a crushed windpipe or asphyxiation due to excessive weight on his neck or back etc, then I will join the choir in calling for his conviction.

    But until then, I am going to remain open to all possibilities.
    If only more people would have done that.

    With Floyd in that position with the cops knee right over his neck—the cop could have seriously injured or even killed Floyd instantly, and with little effort. In fact, the defense may well argue that the cop would’ve had to have made a conscious effort to not seriously injure Floyd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    The United States waterboarded innocent people.

    Torture is not consistent with American values.

    If you want Muslims tortured, ask your own country to do it, and stop looking to my country to do your dirty work
    Apparently signature drone strikes in Waziristan were consistent with American values though!! I daresay more than a few were innocent as well but that didn't stop St. Obama sanctioning them, did it Crypiss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grajonca View Post
    Apparently signature drone strikes in Waziristan were consistent with American values though!! I daresay more than a few were innocent as well but that didn't stop St. Obama sanctioning them, did it Crypiss?
    Worry about your own country, fucking Limey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grajonca View Post
    Apparently signature drone strikes in Waziristan were consistent with American values though!! I daresay more than a few were innocent as well but that didn't stop St. Obama sanctioning them, did it Crypiss?
    Not really the same thing.

    Torturing prisoners in custody is not the same as ordering necessary air strikes, even knowing innocents may die as an unavoidable consequence.

    We weren't purposely killing civilians in the air strikes, but the torture was 100% deliberate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Worry about your own country, fucking Limey
    Lol, you truly are batshit crazy, Calicunt!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    ....why was he able move and reposition his head and neck at various points?

    I know this video only shows about one minute of an incident that lasted eight or nine minutes, but look closely at Chauvin's knee. He keeps relaxing or adjusting his weight, allowing Floyd to move his head around a little bit.

    Most noticeably around the :37 point....



    You can see Floyd reposition his head and Chauvin's knee seems moves a little to accommodate him as well.

    So if Chauvin was intent on using lethal or brutal force on Floyd, why would he allow even the slightest movement of the head and neck?

    Even by the sort of casual looking way Chavin seems to be crouched, it doesn't really look like he's bearing down on Floyd with all of his weight. One knee looks to be on the pavement behind Floyd, supporting most of his weight, the other is on the back of Floyd's head and neck and appears to just be attempting to hold him still.

    All I am suggesting here, before some of you start screaming RACIST!!!!! at me, is that there are too many unanswered questions to be condemning Chauvin for at this stage.

    If, when the autopsy report is released, it affirms that Floyd died as the result of a crushed windpipe or asphyxiation due to excessive weight on his neck or back etc, then I will join the choir in calling for his conviction.

    But until then, I am going to remain open to all possibilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grajonca View Post
    I have yet to see a video of him being thrown to the ground, is there one? I think the most likely explanation is he had a heart attack, but how about we all wait for the medical examiner's report?
    He was in the cop car, they literally could have just shut the doors (they do this at one point after roughing him up a bit). There's a cage in the back of that car, he was already in cuffs. Instead they pulled him out and sat on his neck.

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/0...-video-vpx.cnn

    FYI the cop who sat on his neck worked at the same job as George Floyd elsewhere, people think this may have actually been a murder motivated by the fact the cop knew him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Not really the same thing.

    Torturing prisoners in custody is not the same as ordering necessary air strikes, even knowing innocents may die as an unavoidable consequence.

    We weren't purposely killing civilians in the air strikes, but the torture was 100% deliberate.
    No they are not the same, you're right. With drones the innocent and the guilty die regardless, with waterboarding nobody died. Indeed no doubt the innocent ended up with a very nice payday, as did those that were subjected to extraordinary rendition by MI6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    It makes no difference, he died as a result of these cops actions. It’s why the 3rd degree murder charge.
    i think it does make a difference, if they were holding him by the shoulders I dont think we would be having this conversation. the whole issue orginaly was people thinking the guy strangled to death.

    mind you, I am not saying the cop isn't guilty, but now I have a more open mind and I'll let the court sort it out


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grajonca View Post
    Don't doubt that but again I can't say I was ever that overly concerned with the form used by CIA. I would call that sensory disorientation, you call it torture.

    Wasn't Khalid Sheikh Mohammed ‘waterboarded’ 183 times by the way?
    I don't know the exact number of times but obviously it didn't work so why do it in the first place?


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    Quote Originally Posted by FUCK THE POLICE View Post
    He was in the cop car, they literally could have just shut the doors (they do this at one point after roughing him up a bit). There's a cage in the back of that car, he was already in coughs. Instead they pulled him out and sat on his neck.

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/0...-video-vpx.cnn

    FYI the cop who sat on his neck worked at the same job as George Floyd elsewhere, people think this may have actually been a murder motivated by the fact the cop knew him.
    Yes I know that they worked at the same club but Floyd was a bouncer on the door whereas Chauvin worked inside. Still like to know why, if he wanted to kill him he choose such a public place with many witnesses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grajonca View Post
    No they are not the same, you're right. With drones the innocent and the guilty die regardless, with waterboarding nobody died. Indeed no doubt the innocent ended up with a very nice payday, as did those that were subjected to extraordinary rendition by MI6.
    I don't actually agree with waterboarding but I do enjoy you calling the libs on their Obama worship hypocrisy.
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