Heart attack or asphyxiation?

[canceled.2021.2]

No it won't. It is entirely likely that if he was experiencing a heart attack it was caused by the police in this case. I would like to know where in police training you subdue a suspect by putting your knee on someones neck like this asshole did. Never mind the fact his hands were already cuffed behind his back.

The police caused the heart attack? Not faulty genes? Shitty diet or history of heart disease?

That is a new one for the New England Journal of Medicine

[Port Tack]

The coroners report says you're just full of shit, croc o' shit!

https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesmat...Pkejwvv8-9RvEw

“The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”

Yup, Floyd would be alive today if it were not for negligent police.

guilty as charged

[canceled.2021.2]

What a load of shit, there was nothing fake about that video. you just finished saying that without the cops negligence Floyd would be alive today and that's murder. You just can't bring yourself to say it because the guy was black and the cop was white.

Well with the additional video there is a tremendous amount of context that was missing when ALL you saw was the cop with the knee on his neck.

Here is a good rule of thumb in medicine. If someone can talk, they can breathe. Just saying. Typically people who can't breathe, also can't talk. So while I am not condoning the actions of the police officer what we know is that up until George collapses there was ZERO wrong with that the officers did

We also know from physiology, that if the officer were kneeling on his neck with force sufficient enough to stop him from breathing he would not be able to talk. It is physically impossible.

Based on the new video and the autopsy, George likely was suffering from a heart attack, and went into a cardiac arrhythmia and died.

Could the officers have handled things differently? Definitely. Could they be accused of negligence? Most probably. Was it murder? Not from what I see.

The real questions are

1) Was George chinese virus positive?
2) Why wasn't George socially distancing?
3) Why wasn't George wearing a mask?

[Doc Dutch]

...3) Why wasn't George wearing a mask?

The police officer violated Floyd's social distancing. No mask required if more than 6 feet from another. Why wasn't the cop wearing a mask?

[canceled.2021.2]

If Floyd was having a heart attack while this cop had him on the ground with his knee on his neck then maybe the cop should only get 20 yrs instead of life. To insinuate the guy was going to die anyway is fucking stupid, the cop killed him. You don't scream I can't breath and Mama if you are having a heart attack. The knee likely blocked the carotid artery and cut off blood to the brain so it is understandable asphyxia may have nothing to do with it.

You people need an anatomy and physiology lesson. If blood flow were cut off for that long he would have passed out. Four minutes without sufficient oxygen to the brain and you die. If the flow is cut off completely, you lose consciousness in 10 seconds

The fact that they were leaning on him for 8 minutes and he was STILL talking tells me that they were not using a tremendous amount of force

Now, that does not mean that they should have kept him on the ground for 8 minutes. It doesn't mean they were negligent. But people saying they "caused" his heart attack are completely full of shit and don't know what they are talking about.

It isn't the heart attack that kills you. It is the resulting arrhythmia due to a lack of blood flow from the clogged artery.

[Doc Dutch]

You people need an anatomy and physiology lesson. If blood flow were cut off for that long he would have passed out. Four minutes without sufficient oxygen to the brain and you die. If the flow is cut off completely, you lose consciousness in 10 seconds

The fact that they were leaning on him for 8 minutes and he was STILL talking tells me that they were not using a tremendous amount of force...

That's false statement since Floyd was unconscious for 2 minutes while Chauvin knelt on his neck. A jury will figure it out. Care to place a wager on the outcome of the trial?

[Port Tack]

Well with the additional video there is a tremendous amount of context that was missing when ALL you saw was the cop with the knee on his neck.

Here is a good rule of thumb in medicine. If someone can talk, they can breathe. Just saying. Typically people who can't breathe, also can't talk. So while I am not condoning the actions of the police officer what we know is that up until George collapses there was ZERO wrong with that the officers did

We also know from physiology, that if the officer were kneeling on his neck with force sufficient enough to stop him from breathing he would not be able to talk. It is physically impossible.

Based on the new video and the autopsy, George likely was suffering from a heart attack, and went into a cardiac arrhythmia and died.

Could the officers have handled things differently? Definitely. Could they be accused of negligence? Most probably. Was it murder? Not from what I see.

The real questions are

1) Was George chinese virus positive?
2) Why wasn't George socially distancing?
3) Why wasn't George wearing a mask?

what an ignorant jackass.

[canceled.2021.2]

what an ignorant jackass.

not an argument

Feel free to point anything that was wrong


This is a tragedy. I am not defending the cops. I am just saying this is not a case of cops going N word hunting. Negligence. Wrongful death? It looks that way. Murder? No

[Darth Omar]

What a load of shit, there was nothing fake about that video. you just finished saying that without the cops negligence Floyd would be alive today and that's murder. You just can't bring yourself to say it because the guy was black and the cop was white.

You mean make the assumption lol?

You implying that Floyd would be alive today if he wasn’t black?

Can you prove this?

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

{sigh} You didn't read any of what I said in post #2.

I did. seemed dumb.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

I knew people would get the wrong idea. Please! The entire 4 cops handling this are reprehensible.
I'm merely pointing out things coming to light in videos and the report. And, there are "no physical findings
that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation".

I see 4 cops in a squatting position along the entire length of Floyd's body. Since there are no signs of physical
trauma to the neck area plus the signs he did present, I'm just saying it looks like a cardiac event.
Maybe newer evidence is yet to come. Maybe another doctor will be brought in to get another opinion. I don't know.
I'm posting a couple of videos and the Probable Cause Statement.

I got the right idea. you're a dirty cop apologist.

[Eagle_Eye]

The autopsy will determine the cause of death. In 2006 we had a similar incident involving a 14 year old black child named Martin Anderson. It appeared that the guards killed him during an altercation.

FDLE officials announced that Anderson's autopsy ruled out "trauma or injury" as the cause of his death.
The official cause of death was not reported for another five weeks. In mid-February, Bay County Medical Examiner Charles F. Siebert announced that his first autopsy of Anderson determined that the teen died of complications from sickle cell trait, a normally benign and relatively common condition among African Americans.

On March 12, Anderson's body was exhumed and a second autopsy was conducted by the coroner of Hillsborough County, Dr. Vernard Adams.[11] This time, the autopsy was attended by several other forensic pathologists as consultants to Dr. Adams. Dr. Michael Baden, New York State Police coroner, attended at the request of Anderson's parents and the NAACP.

Dr. Adams found:
1) Martin Anderson had sickle cell trait.
2) The repeated blows to Martin Anderson's limbs and the gripping of his limbs left several bruises
but did not contribute to his death. In other words, he was not beaten to death.
3) Martin Anderson's death was caused by suffocation due to actions of the guards at the boot camp.
The suffocation was caused by manual occlusion of the mouth, in concert with forced inhalation of
ammonia fumes that caused spasm of the vocal cords resulting in internal blockage of the upper airway.
Vernard I. Adams, M.D.
Chief Medical Examiner

So we will have to wait. But it does appear the cops over reacted and caused his death.

[volsrock]

you're trippin'

it just seemed like his knee was on his neck? ftfy.

My wife says the knee killed him, I ask how do u know how much pressure he is using. She than said well u cant do that without putting a lot on his neck


So i went and got a big ripe tomato out of the fridge

I am 6'2 230.... i put the tomato on floor and put my knee on it

Guess what it didn't smash, and while I was doing it I asked her if she could tell how much pressure i was using ...she said no...I SAID BINGO

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

My wife says the knee killed him, I ask how do u know how much pressure he is using. She than said well u cant do that without putting a lot on his neck


So i went and got a big ripe tomato out of the fridge

I am 6'2 230.... i put the tomato on floor and put my knee on it

Guess what it didn't smash, and while I was doing it I asked her if she could tell how much pressure i was using ...she said no...I SAID BINGO

third degree murder charge.

fuck your tomato experiment, csi.

[Stretch]

Was the "Get up!" a Police command? Was it made to make it look like the Suspect was 'resisting arrest' by trying to get up?

I don't think so because Chauvin knew there was someone making a video of the whole scene and that
his voice was being recorded. So there was Chauvin and the other 3 cops holding him down while
sarcastically telling him to "get up".....but of course he couldn't.