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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    if you thought God did catering, no wonder you were disappointed......
    Yet, we must thank this god who didn't do anything for the food we eat, eh?
    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
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    Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    if you want to write it in English, it's Jehovah.......
    I'll write it in English as Yahweh. Jehovah is what some folks translated that as, useless really. Much like Yeshua, not Jesus.
    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
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    Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
    - -- The Buddha

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    if you thought God did catering, no wonder you were disappointed......
    This is also nonsense. If you thought parents did catering then no wonder you were starved.

    It isn't catering. If this god wants me to think of them as a parent as the god told us so many times in the book you follow, then all this worshiping and begging is simply narcissism.
    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
    - -- Aristotle

    Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
    - -- The Buddha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    This is also nonsense. If you thought parents did catering then no wonder you were starved.

    It isn't catering. If this god wants me to think of them as a parent as the god told us so many times in the book you follow, then all this worshiping and begging is simply narcissism.
    You confuse organized religion,Your interpretation of the Bible,with a personal relationship with
    the Holy Spirit and Faith in God
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Yet, we must thank this god who didn't do anything for the food we eat, eh?
    Who's flora and fauna do you think you're eating? Unless you can somehow synthesize your own food you should be thankful for whatever put it there be it God or just nature for the non-religious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    There is something unique with religion in that it trains people to put feels over reals.

    Any ideology can be used by dictators to gain power, but some ideologies make it easier. Communism is a bad ideology, but it still relies on trying to make logical arguments.

    With religion, the people have already accepted that logic doesn't matter. And this is extremely common with Fascism. We're seeing it now with "alternative facts."
    I never saw any logic in Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, or Pol Pot. The way I see it, they exploited grievance and emotion in cynical and calculated ways which I have rarely ever seen mainstream Christians, Buddhists, or Hindus employ.

    As for feels and reals, smarter people than you or me have debated for 500 years what exactly the nature of reality is. Nobody really knows what objective reality is. Locke thought reality is what is observable, but recognized everything we perceive is filtered through our senses. Kant made the point that we cannot actually access objective reality, because all our external experience is filtered and formatted by our mental faculties and consciousness.

    I stand with Descartes in assuming a skeptical posture. I do not believe atheists, Christians, Hindus, or Jews can claim to have absolute authority and knowlege of truth and reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    I am indeed. Since I was their creator I fully know that they are not of the same image.
    then wouldn't it be your responsibility to care for them instead of God's?......
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Yet, we must thank this god who didn't do anything for the food we eat, eh?
    and you know he did nothing for your food how?.....
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    This is also nonsense. If you thought parents did catering then no wonder you were starved.

    It isn't catering. If this god wants me to think of them as a parent as the god told us so many times in the book you follow, then all this worshiping and begging is simply narcissism.
    not at all......to thank God for your sustenance isn't the same as thanking him for buttering your toast.....it is acknowledging his role in all things from the creation of soil, to the provision of rain, the health of the farmer, the safety of the truck driver, the loving parent who DID butter your toast......if you don't in fact acknowledge his role, then it would NOT be logical for you to give him thanks......but it is not illogical for those of us who do acknowledge it, to give him thanks for all those things........
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodile View Post
    Preservation of heart and soul in his cherished yet fallen kin is one reason. Besides that, try to think about things like a parent to a child. Guide but don't do it for them. Always be there for them to ask for help when needed.
    Yet He is never there to actually provide help when needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodile View Post
    No, I accept I have no interest in intimate relationships. Do you accept you're being an adolescent bore who's swiping at me unprovoked?
    No, I accept that you clearly are a loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    ^ my point exactly.

    There is nothing particularly unique about religion being an impediment to freedom of thought.

    It all comes down to the ever present risk of tyranny and coercion. Religion, nationalism, racism, class struggle, have always been used as cover for any agenda which seeks control and authority. There is nothing particularly unique about the Catholic or Protestant churches in that regard.
    Or Trumpism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Mason View Post
    Being an atheist,you assume organized religion is
    Somehow related to Faith in a personal Epiphany with YHWH
    You mean an individual psychotic break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Right, because breakfast isn't necessary unless you beg for it. A parent, as this god is supposed to be, doesn't need you to beg or worship them, unless they are seriously psychotic.



    Because that is not what the book says, it says that humans were "created in his image" and therefore are more important.
    If we were made in His image, He must have died ages ago. Or committed suicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Mason View Post
    I don't have to prove it to you,I have no problem with you wondering blindly through the world.
    You have your eyes closed and your hands over your ears so reality can't intrude on your acid trip.

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    The definition of "racist" as "anyone who is white" is itself racist.
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