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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael_in_Islam
Ishmael (Arabic: إسماعيل, Ismā‘īl) is the figure known in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam as Abraham's (Ibrahim) son, born to Hagar (Hajar). In Islam, Ishmael is regarded as a prophet (nabi) and an ancestor to Muhammad. He also became associated with Mecca and the construction of the Kaaba. These sources include the Quran, Quranic commentary (tafsir), hadith, historiographic collections like that of Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, and Isra'iliyat (Islamic texts about Biblical or ancient Israelite figures that originate from Jewish or Christian sources).[1][2]:13
Anyway... Abraham is in both, and Muhammad was a direct descendant.. Shocking there, both of these people recognize this. Where they disagree tends to be in whether Abraham kept Hagar around or not, not in the fact that both peoples were fathered by the same prophet...
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
They are religious texts, not genetic studies. Religious texts have been subjected to extensive editing over time. Genetics is science.
NeoZionist fascists will be a tad shocked to discover that they are descended from Iranians.
They will probably claim that they ' knew ' that already.
Haw, haw...........................haw
Last edited by moon; 05-29-2020 at 01:05 PM.
" First they came for the journalists...
We don't know what happened after that . "
Maria Ressa.
Which was my point, your study only told them that their texts were "true", like proving to them that 2+2=4. It's stupid to think that this would cause anything at all to happen. No wringing of the hands, etc. both groups already believe that according to their texts that they were genetically linked. You are truly a "special" folk, eh?
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
You are giving these people credit for more intelligence than they have. Yourself too, apparently. The Jews, for example, claim that they are ' chosen ' Millions of dumb Americans agree. How do they imagine that they are superior to others when they are actually the same people ? This feat of self-elevation- which I'm sure you'll be familiar with- is achieved by means of willful ignorance.
So- millions of dumb Americans are faced with a genetic study which proves that the people they have been.. er..' educated' to revile- whose very existence they have been brainwashed to deny- are actually the same people as those who they have been conditioned to believe are spiritually blessed.
I think you're going to have a great deal of difficulty in navigating your cart of manure up the slope. Even if they do ' know ' that their chosen tribes are descended from 'Iranians' then, outside of a few genuine scholars, they are most certainly not going to acknowledge it.
2=2=4 eh ?
Haw, haw.....................haw.
" First they came for the journalists...
We don't know what happened after that . "
Maria Ressa.
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The standard legal one: https://thelawdictionary.org/nation/
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