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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    I'm not being obtuse. In order for a public figure to sue for defamation, they need to prove the following:

    1. The statement was false.
    2. The statement was made with the knowledge that it was false.
    3. The statement must be intentionally malicious (this is where the standard is much higher)
    4. The statement damages the subject.

    Those are all true for Trumps statement about Scarborough. I'd be happy to have you show me an example in which someone did that to Trump. I'm interested in hearing about this one.
    Trump didn't make a statement you dumbass; he asked a series of QUESTIONS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    I'm not being obtuse. In order for a public figure to sue for defamation, they need to prove the following:

    1. The statement was false.
    2. The statement was made with the knowledge that it was false.
    3. The statement must be intentionally malicious (this is where the standard is much higher)
    4. The statement damages the subject.

    Those are all true for Trumps statement about Scarborough. I'd be happy to have you show me an example in which someone did that to Trump. I'm interested in hearing about this one.
    I don't believe you or he can demonstrate "reputational damage" (from the story) nor prove that it was the President's innuendo that caused that damage. Can you show that because of these statements and no other reason, not because of statements they have made themselves that folks stopped watching his show but only because his reputation was damaged solely from those remarks and not because they didn't like the show?

    I don't believe he (or you) will reach this level... Nor will you be able to reach intentionally malicious in regard to emotional distress from Scarborough, nor reputational distress as the viewers they work to obtain for any show on MSDNC are not ones that would be affected in that fashion by Trump's negative opinion of any subject.

    Now, you may have a better chance at emotional distress from the widower... but I think this argument for a Scarborough lawsuit is specious, and notably so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    I can joke about anything I want. A jury will decide if is relevant. This won't be a criminal case. Surely EVEN you can understand the difference
    Let Joe sue then. I encourage it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    I don't believe you or he can demonstrate "reputational damage" (from the story) nor prove that it was the President's innuendo that caused that damage. Can you show that because of these statements and no other reason, not because of statements they have made themselves that folks stopped watching his show but only because his reputation was damaged solely from those remarks and not because they didn't like the show?

    I don't believe he (or you) will reach this level... Nor will you be able to reach intentionally malicious in regard to emotional distress from Scarborough, nor reputational distress as the viewers they work to obtain for any show on MSDNC are not ones that would be affected in that fashion by Trump's negative opinion of any subject.

    Now, you may have a better chance at emotional distress from the widower... but I think this argument for a Scarborough lawsuit is specious, and notably so.
    That might be the most difficult thing to prove, but given the wide audience that Trump has and the proclivity for his supporters to believe anything he says, I'm pretty sure that damages would be assumed. That is a thing. It's called prima facie damage, and it applies when the statement is so outrageous that damages are assumed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    That might be the most difficult thing to prove, but given the wide audience that Trump has and the proclivity for his supporters to believe anything he says, I'm pretty sure that damages would be assumed. That is a thing. It's called prima facie damage, and it applies when the statement is so outrageous that damages are assumed.
    You cannot assume, this is where that "high bar" happens. You will need to show that it was what he said and no other thing that caused folks to stop watching that show, and that will become an absurdity, it is clear that MSDNC does not care to attract anybody who would stop watching anything because of what Trump has said it is simply not their targeted audience. In fact, their audience would be more likely to watch a show that Trump disliked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    You cannot assume, this is where that "high bar" happens. You will need to show that it was what he said and no other thing that caused folks to stop watching that show, and that will become an absurdity, it is clear that MSDNC does not care to attract anybody who would stop watching anything because of what Trump has said it is simply not their targeted audience. In fact, their audience would be more likely to watch a show that Trump disliked.
    Here is a relevant statute. It does not require that you prove actual damages. It only requires that the statement accuses someone of a 'infamous crime'. Murder is included.

    https://www.mccaberabin.com/claim-fo...mation-per-se/

    Defamation per se is a type of cause of action in which the content of the alleged false statement is so inherently damaging, damages are presumed to exist from the mere fact the statement was made.

    Examples of per se defamation include the following:

    When the statement charges that a person has committed an infamous crime;
    When the statement charges a person with having an infectious disease (or mental illness);
    When the statement tends to subject one to hatred, distrust, ridicule, contempt or disgrace; or
    The statement tends to injure one in his trade or profession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    Scarboro is a public figure. Also, there is audio of him joking about it with Imus
    trump is not allowed to make up lies about Scarborough(even if he is famous), and making a joke a related subject is not a defense either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    Trump setting himself for a possibility lawsuit, demonstrates just how disconnected he is. This is just plain stupid on Trump's part, which causes me to wonder about Trump's mental health.
    The IMPOTUS has a lifetime of experience buying his way out of self-created problems. This is just another one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    trump is not allowed to make up lies about Scarborough(even if he is famous), and making a joke a related subject is not a defense either.
    The courts have given some leeway in defamation lawsuits when it comes to public figures. But the line stops when they are wrongfully accused of crimes or their reputations are damaged by false statements.

    Not the best-written article, but some examples:

    https://www.jdjournal.com/2017/10/01...-surprise-you/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    Scarboro is a public figure
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    its possible that since so few people watch his show he doesn't fall under the public figure standard.......
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    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    The IMPOTUS has a lifetime of experience buying his way out of self-created problems. This is just another one.
    We don't know just how good his financial situation is these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    good to know. Trump can then sue all those who have defamed him for the last 4 years.
    Incorrect. If it's true, it isn't defamation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    trump is not allowed to make up lies about Scarborough(even if he is famous), and making a joke a related subject is not a defense either.
    Scarborough can make up lies about the President?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    Scarborough can make up lies about the President?
    If only trump could find some proof... If only.

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