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    The British East India Company was a privately owned company which was established to create profitable trade with countries in the region of Asia called the "East Indies".

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    Very true but it was an direct agent of the British Crown and subsidized the Crown until it was nationalized by the British government. Private ownership was a convoluted thing in the 1700s Britain.
    The Boston Tea Party was a political protest that occurred on December 16, 1773, at Griffin’s Wharf in Boston, Massachusetts. American colonists, frustrated and angry at Britain for imposing “taxation without representation,” dumped 342 chests of tea, imported by the British East India Company into the harbor. The event was the first major act of defiance to British rule over the colonists. It showed Great Britain that Americans wouldn’t take taxation and tyranny sitting down, and rallied American patriots across the 13 colonies to fight for independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Actually it was indeed a private company. Sorry.

    "By 1803, at the height of its rule in India, the East India company had a private army of about 260,000—twice the size of the British Army, with Indian revenues of £13,464,561 (equivalent to £229.9 million in 2019) and expenses of £14,017,473 (equivalent to £239.3 million in 2019).[14][15] The company eventually came to rule large areas of India with its private armies, exercising military power and seizing administrative functions.[16] Company rule in India effectively began in 1757 and lasted until 1858, when, following the Indian Rebellion of 1857, the Government of India Act 1858 led to the British Crown's assuming direct control of the Indian subcontinent in the form of the new British Raj." (wikipedia)

    "THINK GOOGLE OR Apple are powerful? Then you’ve never heard of the East India Company, a profit-making enterprise so mighty, it once ruled nearly all of the Indian subcontinent. Between 1600 and 1874, it built the most powerful corporation the world had ever known, complete with its own army, its own territory, and a near-total hold on trade of a product now seen as quintessentially British: Tea." (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/c...rful-business/)

    If you need any more history lessons, just ask.
    Read my reply to Phantasmal. Private ownership in 1700 Britain is a long way from what it is today. But if it makes you feel better I'll say I misspoke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    Read my reply to Phantasmal. Private ownership in 1700 Britain is a long way from what it is today. But if it makes you feel better I'll say I misspoke.
    That's good, because you did. The Tea Party participants did not own the tea that they dumped, yet they destroyed it anyways. If you want to pretend that the tea belonged to the British government rather than to the BEIC, that's okay -- they still destroyed something that did not belong to them, just like the rioters burned down the police station in Minneapolis that belonged to the govt.

    Not much changed after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, for black citizens in America. It wasn't until the riots of the later 1960s that white ppl woke up. Revolutions come at cost to the establishment.
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    Go lick Toxic's ass some more, pEarl. Still not interested in your obsession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    That's good, because you did. The Tea Party participants did not own the tea that they dumped, yet they destroyed it anyways. If you want to pretend that the tea belonged to the British government rather than to the BEIC, that's okay -- they still destroyed something that did not belong to them, just like the rioters burned down the police station in Minneapolis that belonged to the govt.

    Not much changed after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, for black citizens in America. It wasn't until the riots of the later 1960s that white ppl woke up. Revolutions come at cost to the establishment.
    The Tea Party participants did not burn, loot and riot, Mujer de Buho.

    They did not steal cell phones either.

    Your comparison to the thugs burning and looting is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Althea referenced Kaepernick not being black. I've never heard that before. He was raised by a white family but his (biological) dad was black. Not sure how that makes him not black.

    And voting is important. But I do get the position that the mistreatment by cops has been going on for decades in Republican and Democratic areas and under Republican and Democratic administrations and nothing changes. And thus voting has done little in that regard.
    Actually my black friends are more frustrated by white moderates who they feel are even more culpable than conservatives in that they compromise with conservatives on maintaining the status quo and are greater in numbers by far than conservatives. They consider them enablers. That’s not to let white liberals off the hook as I’ve seen white liberals guilty of some pretty egregious soft racism without even being conscious of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    Sorry but I disagree. Protesting injustice is one thing destroying private property and looting is and entirely different matter. And is in fact it is against federal law.

    I cannot recall one act of private party destruction in the 1770s.

    21st Century "liberals" = 18th Century privateers.
    As my Canadian relatives are quick to remind me, the American rebels confiscated loyalist tory property in the 1770s, and threatened and assaulted tories even if they were not actively aiding the British army

    And that does not even account for the amount of Indian property and land the colonists confiscated, destroyed, stole

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    That's good, because you did. The Tea Party participants did not own the tea that they dumped, yet they destroyed it anyways. If you want to pretend that the tea belonged to the British government rather than to the BEIC, that's okay -- they still destroyed something that did not belong to them, just like the rioters burned down the police station in Minneapolis that belonged to the govt.

    Not much changed after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, for black citizens in America. It wasn't until the riots of the later 1960s that white ppl woke up. Revolutions come at cost to the establishment.
    And I agree with you but that doesn't excuse your condoning the rioting going on in Minneapolis and other cities. Are you saying that race relations only get better when there is rioting and property destruction? I guess you think a race war would be good for America, hell what's a little blood spilled in the name of the greater good? Race relations = revolution, in the liberal world.

    I thank God that I don't live in your area, at least in this southern area race doesn't matter with a few minor exceptions. People respect and help one another without regard to race.
    I know why! We have several military bases in north Florida so that makes us special.
    At least that was your earlier charge.

    The entire above was sarcasm to make a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    As my Canadian relatives are quick to remind me, the American rebels confiscated loyalist tory property in the 1770s, and threatened and assaulted tories even if they were not actively aiding the British army

    And that does not even account for the amount of Indian property and land the colonists confiscated, destroyed, stole
    Reminds me of that old saying about "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    As my Canadian relatives are quick to remind me, the American rebels confiscated loyalist tory property in the 1770s, and threatened and assaulted tories even if they were not actively aiding the British army

    And that does not even account for the amount of Indian property and land the colonists confiscated, destroyed, stole
    Hey you're preaching to the choir sport I'm half native American. But that was then this is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    And I agree with you but that doesn't excuse your condoning the rioting going on in Minneapolis and other cities. Are you saying that race relations only get better when there is rioting and property destruction? I guess you think a race war would be good for America, hell what's a little blood spilled in the name of the greater good? Race relations = revolution, in the liberal world.
    Oh dear, the hyperbole is out again. Kindly show me where I've condoned any rioting and property destruction. I merely pointed out that revolutions come at a cost, and countered your assertion that the 1770s colonists did not destroy private property too.

    I thank God that I don't live in your area, at least in this southern area race doesn't matter with a few minor exceptions. People respect and help one another without regard to race. At least that was your earlier charge.
    People do that all over, Ancient Bird. People also sometimes treat other people like shit all over.

    The entire above was sarcasm to make a point.
    Apparently I missed your point. What was it again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Just like in Ferguson almost six years ago, a lot of the destruction is being caused by outside agitators. Whenever there is unrest and anger, there are those more than happy to rush in and light the matches.
    How do you know those doing this are not residents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Actually my black friends are more frustrated by white moderates who they feel are even more culpable than conservatives in that they compromise with conservatives on maintaining the status quo and are greater in numbers by far than conservatives. They consider them enablers. That’s not to let white liberals off the hook as I’ve seen white liberals guilty of some pretty egregious soft racism without even being conscious of it.
    You can go back to that old Malcolm X quote where he rails on white liberals. The essence of his statement was at least with white racists you knew where you stood and they were open about it. He said white liberals claimed to be friends to black people but would stab them in the back and weren't really allies. One can debate his comment for sure but it's a thought that's been around.

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