What is Obamagate

[Darth Omar]

You want Durham to be reading random internet posts? Why isn't he calling witnesses, or presenting evidence to a grand jury? Why isn't there evidence?

How do you know what Durham has or hasn’t lol?

And do you notice how leak-free and *professional* Durham is running his investigation? I don’t know if Democrats just don’t know enough to realize how bad this can get or whether they’re just bluffing.

[AProudLefty]

Unless you rejected the Trump/Russian conspiracy theory you can’t throw stones.

That narrative is embedded in your head.

[Concart]

Unless you rejected the Trump/Russian conspiracy theory you can’t throw stones.

Of course I can. One is false the other isn’t. See how easy that was?

[AProudLefty]

I was asked by a liberal friend to explain what Obamagate is. I figured I would share it here too.

If your really interested I can try to explain it. The main allegation is that Obama weaponized the FBI to first help Clinton get elected and second when that failed to hinder the Trump campaign.

The first portion is of course before the election. The allegation in this portion is that an investigation was started and selectively leaked to the press to make the Trump campaign look bad. The allegation is that the investigation should never have been started in the first place.

The first piece of thing people mention is of course the steele dossier. They say this is a piece of unverified information. So unverified that you dont even know who the primary source was as these were all things supposedly from steeles russian contacts who may have just heard it from other people so an investigation into a political campaign shouldnt have been started with it at its basis.

Second the allegation is the FISA warrants for Carter Page should never have been given. The allegation is that the fbi knowingly misled the FISA court with false information to get these warrants. The stances seem to be that on the Democrats side they say that this behavior is ok because it is not politically motivated. On the Republican side they say politically motivated or not it is an egregious violation of civil liberties. They also mention that all errors went against the Trump campaign. It is worth noting at this point that the FISA court itself wrote a letter to the FBI asking it to explain its behavior and any changes it would need to make for the FISA court to trust it again.

Thisd would be popodopalous in the bar. The allegation is that he was a very minor part of the Trump campaign and wouldnt have known of any russian collusion and an investigation shouldnt have been started on his behalf. Especially not for things he said while he was drunk. The contention here is that there should be a considerably higher bar for investigating a political campaign. Especially one of the party not in power to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

The benefits of the pre election phase were to allegedly allow what conservatives consider pro democrat media like the New York Times etc to run a slew of anti trump headlines.

Now fast forward to phase 2.

Obama enacts sanctions against Russians a week or two weeks before the Trump administration takes over. Micheal Flynn the a part of the incoming Trump admin talks to the Russian ambassador and asks the Russians not to overreact to the sanctions and wait for the Trump admin. The initial alleged wrong here is a violation of the Logan act. By asking the Russians to essentially keep the peace it is alleged that Flynn was undermining the position of the Obama administration. Of course if keeping the peace is undermining thier position then thier position would have been to escalate tensions with Russia. This then sets up the meeting with Flynn and his lie about speaking with the Russian ambassador.

Now the allegations on the Trump side are first it was well within the rights of the incoming administration to speak with foreign governments as every other single transition has done before them so the questioning should not have happened in the first place. Second that the questioning itself was improper. The evidence cited for this is that Comey himself mentions he would not have tried this with any other administration and took the opportunity presented by a chaotic transition. Third the allegation from the Flynn team is that during the court proceedings the FBI 1) withheld exculpatory evidence and 2) threatened to go after his son if he did not plead guilty.

The benefits for the second part of course is an easy scandal for Democrats to report on (again with the percieved Democrat leaning media like the New York Times) as well as an excuse for Democrat campaign strategists to write of thier loss when they had every concievable advantage.

It is worth noting as well that at this point no direct evidence can tie all of this to Obama. If your a Democrat that would be enough for you to write all of this of if your a Republican you would probably still ask why all of this happen even if Obama himself had no direct ties to it.

Anyway thats the best summary I can make.

Wall to wall words may look "intelligent" and pretty, but it's just a polished turd.

[Darth Omar]

Of course I can. One is false the other isn’t. See how easy that was?

You REALLY think Trump conspired with Russia to win the election?

[Darth Omar]

Wall to wall words may look "intelligent" and pretty, but it's just a polished turd.

Ok, what part is factual—and public knowledge, and what part isn’t?

[AProudLefty]

Ok, what part is factual—and public knowledge, and what part isn’t?

The factual part is where you can prove it.

[Darth Omar]

The factual part is where you can prove it.

Well, did the FISC court have to reprimand the FBI for abusing the FISA process? And in so doing, did they not violate Carter Page’s civil rights?

Isn’t that a crime?

[Nordberg]

Let me get this straight. The only reason why a member of an incoming administration would talk to another major world power is because he was being paid by them? Nothing else? For people who claim to hate wars like Afghanistan and Iraq you have a very dim view of someone trying to prevent an escalation of tensions with Russia.

Now on to Turkey. Given that the initial charge against Flynn was a violation of the Logan Act as he spoke to Russia the intelligence agencies did not seem to have a problem with his Turkish dealings. If they did they would have charged him with something along those lines.

You do not have it straight. The secret service was tapping Kislyak a Russian agent. That is what they do. When they found he was talking to Flynn, that raised a red flag. Then they found he was being paid by them. They already knew he went to a meeting in Russia that he was paid to attend and he sat with Putin. Flynn was dirty or at least probable. he did not tell, anything during vetting. He also did not register as a foreign agent. Yet Trump knew he was being paid by Russia and Turkey yet named him National Security Adviser.

[signalmankenneth]

Trump is trying to take your mind off Trump's horrendous corona virus response and inaction?!!





100,000 dead and counting Trump?!!

[Dachshynddawg]

Indeed.

Excellent summarization.

I expect that US Attorney Durham is perusing this also.

Obama’s legacy is forever tarnished.

Obama knew about every aspect of the criminal activity that was going on in Operation "Crossfire Razor" and Operaration "Crossfire Hurricane". Obama is responsible for the BS Mueller Investigation and the sham impeachment of President Trump.

There is already enough hard evidence to clearly demonstrate that Obama attempted to bring down a US President and THAT'S TREASON.

And NO, Durham/Barr will not go after the Black bastard. WHY, exactly, this is, I don't know. I would love to hear their explanation.


Dachshund

[Darth Omar]

You do not have it straight. The secret service was tapping Kislyak a Russian agent. That is what they do. When they found he was talking to Flynn, that raised a red flag. Then they found he was being paid by them. They already knew he went to a meeting in Russia that he was paid to attend and he sat with Putin. Flynn was dirty or at least probable. he did not tell, anything during vetting. He also did not register as a foreign agent. Yet Trump knew he was being paid by Russia and Turkey yet named him National Security Adviser.

Wait a minute lol.

This is Russia we’re talking about. How does one get to Kislyak’s position and NOT be a Russian agent and it close contact with Putin and the Kremlin? Basically, anyone in his position would effectively be a ‘Russian agent’.

So, was Obama’s IC also spying on Obama’s foreign affairs adviser—as they talked to Kislyak?

[Trumpet]

You REALLY think Trump conspired with Russia to win the election?

Why did Russia hack the DNC server???????????????????

[Darth Omar]

Obama knew about every aspect of the criminal activity that was going on in Operation "Crossfire Razor" and Operaration "Crossfire Hurricane". Obama is responsible for the BS Mueller Investigation and the sham impeachment of President Trump.

There is already enough hard evidence to clearly demonstrate that Obama attempted to bring down a US President and THAT'S TREASON.

And NO, Durham/Barr will not go after the Black bastard. WHY, exactly, this is, I don't know. I would love to hear their explanation.


Dachshund

I thought about that and I don’t think race has anything to do with it.

Putting a jump suit on an ex-president damages the office of the presidency. Future historians would ‘impose a sufficient penalty’.

But let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

[Dachshynddawg]

Wall to wall words may look "intelligent" and pretty, but it's just a polished turd.

"Polished turd"? You mean like using the American flag as a backdrop for an aggressive (IQ=70) gun - toting Black African ?


Dachshund