"Trump demands governors allow churches to open"

[moon]

nobody is making you go to church

When we get rid of the Evangelists nobody ever will.

[christiefan915]

Sounds good to me. Where's the Problem?

trump doesn't have the authority to demand governors reopen the churches.

[domer76]

ha ha. I'm Buddhist you moron - no gods in Buddhism.
But Christ called on his followers to "do this in remembrance of me" and gather together in His name

I don’t give a flying fuck if you’re a Satan worshipper. Gather all you fucking want, moron. See if your deity protects you.

[Stretch]

Not about the Constitution, rather Trump pimping religion during a crisis for political ends

Unlike the ever "prayerful" Nancy?

[domer76]

nowhere......now as a followup, where in the constitution does it say the government can CLOSE a building used for worship?......

Obviously, the government has the authority to quarantine. I already quoted case law that says your freedom of religion applies to opinion or belief only.

[domer76]

actually, almost every religious freedom case revolves around how one physically carries out his religion.........consider for example the use of peyote in Indian religious ceremonies, where and when prayer may be conducted, whether copies of the Ten Commandments may be displayed in court houses......

It’s not absolute, moron. Your pathetic need to have a fucking building to worship has been temporarily suspended. Big fucking deal. Pray somewhere else, liar.

[domer76]

Which case law would that be you laughable faggot? Seriously cite the case or shut your retarded mouth.

This one, lazy cunt:

“ Freedom of religion means freedom to hold an opinion or belief, but not to take action in violation of social duties or subversive to good order." (Reynolds v. United States, 1878)

[domer76]

In what case faggot?

What’s wrong, cocksucker? Too lazy or too stupid to look it up yourself? My money is on both.

Fucking moron.

[domer76]

Too bad for you they were limiting them to ten people but out door dining was allowed 50 so catch a bullet faggot, it's time for armed revolt from New York to Michigan storm the governors mansions and hanf the tyrants from the nearest light pole!

Fucking pussy.

[Geeko Sportivo]

The Black Death of 1347-1352 CE is the most infamous plague outbreak of the medieval world, unprecedented and unequaled until the 1918-1919 CE flu pandemic in the modern age. The cause of the plague was unknown and, in accordance with the general understanding of the Middle Ages, was attributed to supernatural forces and, primarily, the will or wrath of God.

Danse Macabre in St. Mary's Church, Beram
Danse Macabre in St. Mary's Church, Beram
by Toffel (GNU FDL)

Accordingly, people reacted with hopeful cures and responses based on religious belief, folklore and superstition, and medical knowledge, all of which were informed by Catholic Christianity in the West and Islam in the Near East. These responses took many forms but, overall, did nothing to stop the spread of the disease or save those who had been infected. The recorded responses to the outbreak come from Christian and Muslim writers primarily since many works by European Jews – and many of the people themselves – were burned by Christians who blamed them for the plague and among these works, may have been treatises on the plague.
The perceived failure of God to answer prayers contributed to the decline of the Church’s power & the eventual splintering of a unified Christian worldview.

No matter how many Jews, or others, were killed, however, the plague raged on and God seemed deaf to the prayers and supplications of believers. In Europe, the perceived failure of God to answer these prayers contributed to the decline of the medieval Church’s power and the eventual splintering of a unified Christian worldview during the Protestant Reformation (1517-1648 CE). In the East, Islam remained intact, more or less, owing to its insistence on the plague as a gift which bestowed martyrdom on the victims and transported them instantly to paradise as well as the view of the disease as simply another trial to endure such as famine or flood.

Although many of the religious ideas concerning the plague in West and East were similar, this one difference was significant in maintaining Islamic cohesion, even though it most likely led to a higher death toll than official records maintain. After the plague had run its course, religious response in both East and West was generally credited with appeasing God who lifted the pestilence but Europe would be radically changed while the Near East was not.
The Black Death Origin & Spread

The plague originated in Central Asia and spread via the Silk Road and troop movements throughout the Near East. The first recorded outbreak of bubonic plague is the Plague of Justinian (541-542 CE) which struck Constantinople in 541 CE and killed an estimated 50 million people. This outbreak, however, was simply the furthest westerly occurrence of a disease that had been stalking the people of the Near East for years before. The historian John of Ephesus (l. c. 507 - c. 588 CE), an eyewitness to the plague, notes that the people of Constantinople were aware of the plague for two years before it came to the city but made no provision against it, believing it was not their problem.

After Constantinople, the plague died down in the East only to appear again with the Djazirah Outbreak of 562 CE which killed 30,000 people in the city of Amida and even more when it returned in 599-600 CE. The disease maintained this pattern in the East, seeming to disappear only to rise again, until it picked up momentum beginning in 1218 CE, further in 1322 CE, and was raging by 1346 CE.

Spread of the Black Death
Spread of the Black Death
by Flappiefh (CC BY-SA)

It was around this time that the Mongol Khan Djanibek (r. 1342-1357 CE) was laying siege to the port city of Caffa (modern-day Feodosia in Crimea) which was held by the Italians of Genoa. As his troops died of plague, Djanibek ordered their corpses catapulted over Caffa’s walls, thereby spreading the disease to the defenders. The Genoese fled the city by ship and so brought the plague to Europe. From ports such as Marseilles and Valencia, it spread from city to city with every person who had had contact with anyone from the ships and there seemed no way to stop it.

[Ralph]

"Trump demands governors allow churches to open"
"President Trump on Friday ordered governors to allow houses of worship to open immediately, declaring them “essential” to American life during COVID-19."

“The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places of faith to open right now, this weekend,” Trump said during brief remarks at the White House. Trump took no questions, however, and left immediately after his brief statement."

“If they don't do it I will override the governors. America, we need more prayer, not less," he said."

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/499184-trump-demands-governors-allow-churches-to-open

"Behind Trump’s demand to reopen churches: Slipping poll numbers and alarm inside his campaign"
"A sudden shift in support for Donald Trump among religious conservatives is triggering alarm bells inside his reelection campaign, where top aides have long banked on expanding the president’s evangelical base as a key part of their strategy for victory this November.

The anxiety over Trump’s standing with the Christian right surfaced after a pair of surveys by reputable outfits earlier this month found waning confidence in the administration’s coronavirus response among key religious groups, with a staggering decline in the president’s favorability among white evangelicals and white Catholics.

Part of the strategy Trump allies have adopted to protect his relationship with conservative Christians is to frame the novel coronavirus — and church closures in response to social distancing restrictions — as a threat to religious freedom.

Pence told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt earlier this month that “the liberties enshrined in the Constitution still apply to every American, even in the middle of a national emergency.”

The Justice Department has also gotten involved. In a letter sent Tuesday to California Gov. Gavin Newsom, department officials warned the prominent Democrat that his measures to relax social-distancing guidelines in the Golden State cannot discriminate against religious groups and institutions

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/22/trump-churches-evaneglicals-coronavirus-274842

Most know Trump's history with religion is skeptical at best, so who, other than some southern evangelicals, are going to now buy Trump's sudden "we need more prayer" theme?

And how would this not be Trump pimping religion in the midst of a health crisis for his own political ends?

Once again we find fascist leftists rejecting the United States Bill of Rights in favor of totalitarian NON-LEGISTATED government edicts.

Question? What better place to find hope than that found in a personal religious faith? The left bitches about Churches being essential......because of covering behind a DEM-PANIC...yet has no problem with BLUE STATES sentencing the elderly to an early grave by making those afflicted with the bug...….go directly to a place where the elderly are most in danger: SENIOR NURSING HOMES. How many elderly have the leaders of NY, Michigan...etc., killed with this stupid order in spite of the fact that thousands of Federally provided hospital beds remained unused and empty with newly erected hospitals and military hospital ships ? These people have no shame.

How think do you stupid THE PEOPLE to be?

THE PEOPLE ARE AWAKE.....they know who the real fascists are. They will not be put back to sleep by propaganda based stupidity.

[Bill]

Once again we find fascist leftists rejecting the United States Bill of Rights in favor of totalitarian NON-LEGISTATED government edicts.

Question? What better place to find hope than that found in a personal religious faith? The left bitches about Churches being essential......because of covering behind a DEM-PANIC...yet has no problem with BLUE STATES sentencing the elderly to an early grave by making those afflicted with the bug...….go directly to a place where the elderly are most in danger: SENIOR NURSING HOMES. How many elderly have the leaders of NY, Michigan...etc., killed with this stupid order in spite of the fact that thousands of Federally provided hospital beds remained unused and empty with newly erected hospitals and military hospital ships ? These people have no shame.

How think do you stupid THE PEOPLE to be?

THE PEOPLE ARE AWAKE.....they know who the real fascists are. They will not be put back to sleep by propaganda based stupidity.

RANT RANT RANT my rights me me me......

God is omnipresent, that building was built by the hands of men, probably illegal ones @ that.............

If you were half as concerned about your faith as your politics you would be a real soul winner instead what you have become.............

Sad times when shit like this gets ppl like you hopped up w/ all the sin & evil in the world..................

[Earl]

Once again we find fascist leftists rejecting the United States Bill of Rights in favor of totalitarian NON-LEGISTATED government edicts.

Question? What better place to find hope than that found in a personal religious faith? The left bitches about Churches being essential......because of covering behind a DEM-PANIC...yet has no problem with BLUE STATES sentencing the elderly to an early grave by making those afflicted with the bug...….go directly to a place where the elderly are most in danger: SENIOR NURSING HOMES. How many elderly have the leaders of NY, Michigan...etc., killed with this stupid order in spite of the fact that thousands of Federally provided hospital beds remained unused and empty with newly erected hospitals and military hospital ships ? These people have no shame.

How think do you stupid THE PEOPLE to be?

THE PEOPLE ARE AWAKE.....they know who the real fascists are. They will not be put back to sleep by propaganda based stupidity.

Indeed.

[Jarod]

The president does not have the authority to command governors.

He has no grasp of the separation of powers.

[Grokmaster]

"Trump demands governors allow churches to open"
"President Trump on Friday ordered governors to allow houses of worship to open immediately, declaring them “essential” to American life during COVID-19."

“The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places of faith to open right now, this weekend,” Trump said during brief remarks at the White House. Trump took no questions, however, and left immediately after his brief statement."

“If they don't do it I will override the governors. America, we need more prayer, not less," he said."

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/499184-trump-demands-governors-allow-churches-to-open

"Behind Trump’s demand to reopen churches: Slipping poll numbers and alarm inside his campaign"
"A sudden shift in support for Donald Trump among religious conservatives is triggering alarm bells inside his reelection campaign, where top aides have long banked on expanding the president’s evangelical base as a key part of their strategy for victory this November.

The anxiety over Trump’s standing with the Christian right surfaced after a pair of surveys by reputable outfits earlier this month found waning confidence in the administration’s coronavirus response among key religious groups, with a staggering decline in the president’s favorability among white evangelicals and white Catholics.

Part of the strategy Trump allies have adopted to protect his relationship with conservative Christians is to frame the novel coronavirus — and church closures in response to social distancing restrictions — as a threat to religious freedom.

Pence told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt earlier this month that “the liberties enshrined in the Constitution still apply to every American, even in the middle of a national emergency.”

The Justice Department has also gotten involved. In a letter sent Tuesday to California Gov. Gavin Newsom, department officials warned the prominent Democrat that his measures to relax social-distancing guidelines in the Golden State cannot discriminate against religious groups and institutions

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/22/trump-churches-evaneglicals-coronavirus-274842

Most know Trump's history with religion is skeptical at best, so who, other than some southern evangelicals, are going to now buy Trump's sudden "we need more prayer" theme?

And how would this not be Trump pimping religion in the midst of a health crisis for his own political ends?

The CONSTITUTION DEMANDS CHURCHES BE OPENED....THERE IS NO "EXCEPT WHEN PROHIBITED BY GUBERNATORIAL FIAT" CLAUSE....