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    Trump is willing to sacrifice lives if it helps him win in November; human life means nothing to a sociopath the like of Donald Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    When we get rid of the Evangelists nobody ever will.
    muslimes are the ones who force people to do things they don't want to do

    it is a vile ideology

    it doesn't rate as a religion

    I hope all muslimes get the chinese virus and die

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Obviously, the government has the authority to quarantine.
    do the people in the churches have a disease that we need to be quarantined from?......
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    It’s not absolute, moron. Your pathetic need to have a fucking building to worship has been temporarily suspended. Big fucking deal. Pray somewhere else, liar.
    you realize that we are not allowed to gather outside the building either, correct.....
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    do the people in the churches have a disease that we need to be quarantined from?......
    Congrats. Stupid question of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    you realize that we are not allowed to gather outside the building either, correct.....
    What’s your point, nipplehead?

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    Hello archives,

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    "Trump demands governors allow churches to open"
    "President Trump on Friday ordered governors to allow houses of worship to open immediately, declaring them “essential” to American life during COVID-19."

    “The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places of faith to open right now, this weekend,” Trump said during brief remarks at the White House. Trump took no questions, however, and left immediately after his brief statement."

    “If they don't do it I will override the governors. America, we need more prayer, not less," he said."

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/499184-trump-demands-governors-allow-churches-to-open

    "Behind Trump’s demand to reopen churches: Slipping poll numbers and alarm inside his campaign"
    "A sudden shift in support for Donald Trump among religious conservatives is triggering alarm bells inside his reelection campaign, where top aides have long banked on expanding the president’s evangelical base as a key part of their strategy for victory this November.

    The anxiety over Trump’s standing with the Christian right surfaced after a pair of surveys by reputable outfits earlier this month found waning confidence in the administration’s coronavirus response among key religious groups, with a staggering decline in the president’s favorability among white evangelicals and white Catholics.

    Part of the strategy Trump allies have adopted to protect his relationship with conservative Christians is to frame the novel coronavirus — and church closures in response to social distancing restrictions — as a threat to religious freedom.

    Pence told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt earlier this month that “the liberties enshrined in the Constitution still apply to every American, even in the middle of a national emergency.”

    The Justice Department has also gotten involved. In a letter sent Tuesday to California Gov. Gavin Newsom, department officials warned the prominent Democrat that his measures to relax social-distancing guidelines in the Golden State cannot discriminate against religious groups and institutions

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/22/trump-churches-evaneglicals-coronavirus-274842

    Most know Trump's history with religion is skeptical at best, so who, other than some southern evangelicals, are going to now buy Trump's sudden "we need more prayer" theme?

    And how would this not be Trump pimping religion in the midst of a health crisis for his own political ends?
    If they don't do what he says he will attack them on twitter in the middle of the night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    "Trump demands governors allow churches to open"
    "President Trump on Friday ordered governors to allow houses of worship to open immediately, declaring them “essential” to American life during COVID-19."

    “The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places of faith to open right now, this weekend,” Trump said during brief remarks at the White House. Trump took no questions, however, and left immediately after his brief statement."

    “If they don't do it I will override the governors. America, we need more prayer, not less," he said."

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/499184-trump-demands-governors-allow-churches-to-open

    "Behind Trump’s demand to reopen churches: Slipping poll numbers and alarm inside his campaign"
    "A sudden shift in support for Donald Trump among religious conservatives is triggering alarm bells inside his reelection campaign, where top aides have long banked on expanding the president’s evangelical base as a key part of their strategy for victory this November.

    The anxiety over Trump’s standing with the Christian right surfaced after a pair of surveys by reputable outfits earlier this month found waning confidence in the administration’s coronavirus response among key religious groups, with a staggering decline in the president’s favorability among white evangelicals and white Catholics.

    Part of the strategy Trump allies have adopted to protect his relationship with conservative Christians is to frame the novel coronavirus — and church closures in response to social distancing restrictions — as a threat to religious freedom.

    Pence told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt earlier this month that “the liberties enshrined in the Constitution still apply to every American, even in the middle of a national emergency.”

    The Justice Department has also gotten involved. In a letter sent Tuesday to California Gov. Gavin Newsom, department officials warned the prominent Democrat that his measures to relax social-distancing guidelines in the Golden State cannot discriminate against religious groups and institutions

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/22/trump-churches-evaneglicals-coronavirus-274842

    Most know Trump's history with religion is skeptical at best, so who, other than some southern evangelicals, are going to now buy Trump's sudden "we need more prayer" theme?

    And how would this not be Trump pimping religion in the midst of a health crisis for his own political ends?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Actually, if wasn’t connected to news outlets I’d have no idea there was a pandemic lol.
    People would tell you I promise
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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    What’s your point, nipplehead?
    that your claim that its all about a building is patently false......
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Congrats. Stupid question of the day.

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    so you're saying you have no clue what the word quarantine means.......there is no more reason to "quarantine" people who attend church than there would be to "quarantine" people who shop at Walmart..........the state could easily apply the "no more than x people per 1000 square feet" that they use to limit shoppers at Target or Walgreens........or, they could simply permit churches to hold services outside......so obviously there is nothing stupid about my question.........unless perhaps it was the person it was directed to.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    that your claim that its all about a building is patently false......
    The topic is about opening churches, you fucking idiot. What an illiterate moron.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    so you're saying you have no clue what the word quarantine means.......there is no more reason to "quarantine" people who attend church than there would be to "quarantine" people who shop at Walmart..........the state could easily apply the "no more than x people per 1000 square feet" that they use to limit shoppers at Target or Walgreens........or, they could simply permit churches to hold services outside......so obviously there is nothing stupid about my question.........unless perhaps it was the person it was directed to.........
    Use whatever word applies, you fucking idiot.

    Isolate
    Quarantine
    Lockdown

    I don’t give a fuck what word tickles your ignorant fancy, moron. The government has the authority to do what they’ve been doing.

    Your stupid question was whether the people in churches have a disease. The answer, you stupid fuck, is possibly to probably to yes. Your stupid question of the day still stands.

    Moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    do the people in the churches have a disease that we need to be quarantined from?......
    Hmmm...
    CDC Issues Alarming Triple-Fatality Report On COVID-19 Cases At Arkansas Church
    Mary Papenfuss

    COVID-19 cases first contracted by a pastor and his wife ended up spreading to 35 others who attended events at their rural Arkansas church that resulted in three deaths, a troubling report revealed Friday.

    An additional 26 cases in the community occurred among people who had contact with those who participated in the church events, according to the study by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. One of them also died.

    The study was released the same day President Donald Trump demanded churches and other houses of worship reopen for services amid the coronavirus crisis. He deemed religious services “essential” and threatened to override governors who ignored his orders for health and safety reasons. Legal experts don’t believe he has the authority to do so.


    The church in the CDC study was identified only as “Church A” in a rural Arkansas county of 25,000 people.

    The report found that more than a third of 92 people who attended events at the church from March 6 to 11 contracted confirmed cases of COVID-19, and three later died. The pastor, the first known case along with his wife, led a Bible study group at the church before he developed symptoms, according to the study, “High COVID-19 Attack Rate Among Attendees at Events at a Church — Arkansas, March 2020.”

    Other events at the church during the time studied included worship services and a special children’s event over three days that involved a community meal, singing and the passing of “offerings” from children to adults. The pastor closed the church March 12 after others in his congregation began to feel ill two days after his initial symptoms developed, according to the study.

    “This outbreak highlights the potential for widespread transmission of ... the virus that causes COVID-19, both at group gatherings during church events and within the broader community,” the study warned. “These findings underscore the opportunity for faith-based organizations to prevent COVID-19 by following local authorities’ guidance and the U.S. Government’s Guidelines.”

    Arkansas hadn’t issued social distancing guidelines urging people to stay 6 feet apart until March 16, the report noted. But the pastor told researchers that church members sat apart during the Bible study he led.

    Revised guidelines by the CDC set out various precautions to take at houses of worship planning to reopen, depending on the existing rates of community transmission of COVID-19. They include daily cleaning of churches, limiting the size of gatherings, suspending “singing, chanting, or reciting” during services, maintaining social distancing, providing hand sanitizer and encouraging the use of face masks.

    Social distancing guidelines have not been followed in a number of churches that have already restarted services in various states. Reopened houses of worship have reported COVID-19 cases and deaths.

    Church services can be “super-spreader” events, serving as incubators for a wider-scale community infection. One church in South Korea is believed to have provided a setting for thousands of people to contract the virus over the course of a month.

    Sources told Politico that Trump demanded that houses of worship reopen because of slipping poll numbers showing him losing ground to Democratic presidential front-runner Joe Biden. Two recent polls this month show support for the president eroding among white evangelicals and white Catholics, who had been crucial backers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    you realize that we are not allowed to gather outside the building either, correct.....
    I guess we have to ask what is more important, you gathering, or American surviving.

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