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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Blacks were loyal Republicans until 1934.
    During reconstruction numerous black Republicans ran and won office. Almost all blacks in the South during that time were Republicans. The first black people elected to the U.S. Congress were Republicans.

    It may have been a long time ago but someone saying blacks have never voted for Republicans is just ignorant of history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Blue-eyed devils.

    And MLK Jr. influenced Black Americans too.
    Rev. MlK? ... haw haw haw. The Democrats kicked him to the curb long ago. Dems hate Christianity and judge everyone according to skin color.

    The Dem party hates the White race and laud Islam That sounds like Malcolm X, not Rev. MLK. Even your candidates apologize for being members of the White race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post

    Originally Posted by Flash
    Blacks were loyal Republicans until 1934.


    During reconstruction numerous black Republicans ran and won office. Almost all blacks in the South during that time were Republicans. The first black people elected to the U.S. Congress were Republicans.

    It may have been a long time ago but someone saying blacks have never voted for Republicans is just ignorant of history.
    This is true....but what our willfully ignorant and 3rd rate propagandist of the right wing love to do is pretend that there was no shift in ideology of both parties during the late 1950's and 1960's....they actually parrot some revisionist clap trap that Nixon's "Southern Strategy" didn't exist.

    That being said, Joe Biden should NOT try to be "hip" or "cavalier" when dealing with race issues on a youth oriented radio show....it doesn't bode well for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Rev. MlK? ... haw haw haw. The Democrats kicked him to the curb long ago. Dems hate Christianity and judge everyone according to skin color.

    The Dem party hates the White race and laud Islam That sounds like Malcolm X, not Rev. MLK. Even your candidates apologize for being members of the White race.
    Like his icon, this Big (dumb) Dog just blathers on without a shred of rational, fact based logic. The willfully ignorant will lap it up....so much more to pity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grajonca View Post
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    Looks like Biden is not much different to LBJ, at least he doesn't call blacks niggers at least!

    Lyndon Johnson said the word “nigger” a lot.


    In Senate cloakrooms and staff meetings, Johnson was practically a connoisseur of the word. According to Johnson biographer Robert Caro, Johnson would calibrate his pronunciations by region, using “nigra” with some southern legislators and “negra” with others. Discussing civil rights legislation with men like Mississippi Democrat James Eastland, who committed most of his life to defending white supremacy, he’d simply call it “the nigger bill.”

    Then in 1957, Johnson would help get the “nigger bill” passed, known to most as the Civil Rights Act of 1957. With the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act, the segregationists would go to their graves knowing the cause they’d given their lives to had been betrayed, Frank Underwood style, by a man they believed to be one of their own. When Caro asked segregationist Georgia Democrat Herman Talmadge how he felt when Johnson, signing the Civil Rights Act, said ”we shall overcome,” Talmadge said “sick.”

    The Civil Rights Act made it possible for Johnson to smash Jim Crow. The Voting Rights Act made the U.S. government accountable to its black citizens and a true democracy for the first time. Johnson lifted racist immigration restrictions designed to preserve a white majority – and by extension white supremacy. He forced FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, then more concerned with “communists” and civil rights activists, to turn his attention to crushing the Ku Klux Klan. Though the Fair Housing Act never fulfilled its promise to end residential segregation, it was another part of a massive effort to live up to the ideals America’s founders only halfheartedly believed in – a record surpassed only by Abraham Lincoln.

    So it would be tempting, on the 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act, as Johnson is being celebrated by no less than four living presidents, to dismiss Johnson’s racism as mere code-switching – a clever ploy from an uncompromising racial egalitarian whose idealism was matched only by his political ruthlessness.

    But that wouldn’t be true. Johnson was a man of his time, and bore those flaws as surely as he sought to lead the country past them. For two decades in Congress he was a reliable member of the Southern bloc, helping to stonewall civil rights legislation. As Caro recalls, Johnson spent the late 1940s railing against the “hordes of barbaric yellow dwarves” in East Asia. Buying into the stereotype that blacks were afraid of snakes (who isn’t afraid of snakes?) he’d drive to gas stations with one in his trunk and try to trick black attendants into opening it. Once, Caro writes, the stunt nearly ended with him being beaten with a tire iron.

    Nor was it the kind of immature, frat-boy racism that Johnson eventually jettisoned. Even as president, Johnson’s interpersonal relationships with blacks were marred by his prejudice. As longtime Jet correspondent Simeon Booker wrote in his memoirShocks the Conscience, early in his presidency, Johnson once lectured Booker after he authored a critical article for Jet Magazine, telling Booker he should “thank” Johnson for all he’d done for black people. In Flawed Giant, Johnson biographer Robert Dallek writes that Johnson explained his decision to nominate Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court rather than a less famous black judge by saying, “when I appoint a nigger to the bench, I want everybody to know he’s a nigger.”

    According to Caro, Robert Parker, Johnson’s sometime chauffer, described in his memoir Capitol Hill in Black and White a moment when Johnson asked Parker whether he’d prefer to be referred to by his name rather than “boy,” “nigger” or “chief.” When Parker said he would, Johnson grew angry and said, “As long as you are black, and you’re gonna be black till the day you die, no one’s gonna call you by your goddamn name. So no matter what you are called, nigger, you just let it roll off your back like water, and you’ll make it. Just pretend you’re a goddamn piece of furniture.”

    That Johnson may seem hard to square with the public Johnson, the one who devoted his presidency to tearing down the “barriers of hatred and terror” between black and white.

    In conservative quarters, Johnson’s racism – and the racist show he would put on for Southern segregationists – is presented as proof of the Democratic conspiracy to somehow trap black voters with, to use Mitt Romney’s terminology, “gifts” handed out through the social safety net. But if government assistance were all it took to earn the permanent loyalty of generations of voters then old white people on Medicare would be staunch Democrats.

    So at best, that assessment is short sighted and at worst, it subscribes to the idea that blacks are predisposed to government dependency. That doesn’t just predate Johnson, it predates emancipation. As Eric Foner recounts in Reconstruction, the Civil War wasn’t yet over, but some Union generals believed blacks, having existed as a coerced labor class in America for more than a century, would nevertheless need to be taught to work “for a living rather than relying upon the government for support.”

    Perhaps the simple explanation, which Johnson likely understood better than most, was that there is no magic formula through which people can emancipate themselves from prejudice, no finish line that when crossed, awards a person’s soul with a shining medal of purity in matters of race. All we can offer is a commitment to justice in word and deed, that must be honored but from which we will all occasionally fall short. Maybe when Johnson said “it is not just Negroes but all of us, who must overcome the crippling legacy of bigotry,” he really meant all of us, including himself.

    Nor should Johnson’s racism overshadow what he did to push America toward the unfulfilled promise of its founding. When Republicans say they’re the Party of Lincoln, they don’t mean they’re the party of deporting black people to West Africa, or the party of opposing black suffrage, or the party of allowing states the authority to bar freedmen from migrating there, all options Lincoln considered. They mean they’re the party that crushed the slave empire of the Confederacy and helped free black Americans from bondage.

    But we shouldn’t forget Johnson’s racism, either. After Johnson’s death, Parker would reflect on the Johnson who championed the landmark civil rights bills that formally ended American apartheid, and write, “I loved that Lyndon Johnson.” Then he remembered the president who called him a nigger, and he wrote, “I hated that Lyndon Johnson.”

    That sounds about right.

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-jo...-rights-racism
    And the point being? Because neither Reagan or the Bush Crime family or Dump have pushed any civil rights bills like LBJ, his prejudices and all...quite the opposite, the GOP in the last 30 years has moved to eliminate key points of Civil Rights legislation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    This is true....but what our willfully ignorant and 3rd rate propagandist of the right wing love to do is pretend that there was no shift in ideology of both parties during the late 1950's and 1960's....
    Nobody pretended anything because the shift in ideology of the parties was not the topic of discussion and therefore irrelevant. The OP said blacks had never voted Republican and I pointed out that blacks were loyal Republicans until 1934.

    That obviously means they did not vote Republican after 1934. And, it had nothing to do with ideology but the support for FDR and his economic programs.

    And, the South's trend toward voting Republican began in the 1950's, long before Nixon.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...0s_118172.html

    You are trying to argue about topics never discussed and not a part of that history until many years later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Like his icon, this Big (dumb) Dog just blathers on without a shred of rational, fact based logic. The willfully ignorant will lap it up....so much more to pity.
    Why are your candidates apologizing for being members of the white race?
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    And the point being? Because neither Reagan or the Bush Crime family or Dump have pushed any civil rights bills like LBJ, his prejudices and all...quite the opposite, the GOP in the last 30 years has moved to eliminate key points of Civil Rights legislation
    LBJ? ... the Vietnam warmonger? ... you have to go back 70 years to the time when repubs finally convinced dems to pass the CRA, to find something the dmes DID for Black Americans? Three times more Dems voted against the CRA than repubs.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    This is true....but what our willfully ignorant and 3rd rate propagandist of the right wing love to do is pretend that there was no shift in ideology of both parties during the late 1950's and 1960's....they actually parrot some revisionist clap trap that Nixon's "Southern Strategy" didn't exist.

    That being said, Joe Biden should NOT try to be "hip" or "cavalier" when dealing with race issues on a youth oriented radio show....it doesn't bode well for him.
    The Southern Strategy was an idea to convince White Socialist Democrats that conservative policies, like black voting rights, were actually bad for Blacks. Haw haw haw ... it was never implemented.

    Don't doubt me.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    The Southern Strategy was an idea to convince White Socialist Democrats that conservative policies, like black voting rights, were actually bad for Blacks. Haw haw haw ... it was never implemented.

    Don't doubt me.
    “chiwawa,” you are incorrect, you were never that good at history

    Quite simply, the GOP’s Southern Strategy was aimed at capturing the white conservative vote who up to that point registered Democrat. They knew they weren’t going to capture the black vote, and were gradually losing support to the Northern liberal Republicans, so they jumped to pick up on the segregationist appeal Wallace was winning. Since then, a solid GOP South

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    “chiwawa,” you are incorrect, you were never that good at history

    Quite simply, the GOP’s Southern Strategy was aimed at capturing the white conservative vote who up to that point registered Democrat. They knew they weren’t going to capture the black vote, and were gradually losing support to the Northern liberal Republicans, so they jumped to pick up on the segregationist appeal Wallace was winning. Since then, a solid GOP South
    Totally false narrative. And it was never implemented.

    Right after Nixon, all but one of the former Slave States voted for Democrat Jimmy Carter. And the South continued to vote solidly democrat at State and local levels at least inot the 90's.

    Furthermore, Repub Reagan won 49 States in 1984. Your Lib Logic is Fail.
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    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post

    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    This is true....but what our willfully ignorant and 3rd rate propagandist of the right wing love to do is pretend that there was no shift in ideology of both parties during the late 1950's and 1960's....
    Nobody pretended anything because the shift in ideology of the parties was not the topic of discussion and therefore irrelevant. The OP said blacks had never voted Republican and I pointed out that blacks were loyal Republicans until 1934.

    That obviously means they did not vote Republican after 1934. And, it had nothing to do with ideology but the support for FDR and his economic programs.

    And, the South's trend toward voting Republican began in the 1950's, long before Nixon.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...0s_118172.html

    You are trying to argue about topics never discussed and not a part of that history until many years later.
    Actually, the error that you point to came into about the middle of this thread....it was NOT the ORIGINAL topic of discussion via the OP. You repeat a moot point (I agreed, remember?), but you make yet another error in stating a moot point (...the South's trend toward voting Republican began in the 1950's, long before Nixon.) of which I did not make any effort to prove otherwise. MY point is a valid fact of history that cannot be diminished in any fashion, and is quite relevant to the discussion trend of this thread, whether you like it or not.

    Remember, I was specifically pointing to willfully ignorant and 3rd rate propagandist of the right wing. If you are not of that category, then don't sweat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post

    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    Like his icon, this Big (dumb) Dog just blathers on without a shred of rational, fact based logic. The willfully ignorant will lap it up....so much more to pity.
    Why are your candidates apologizing for being members of the white race?
    Really? You have quotes to that in no uncertain terms? I think the reading audience would like to see them....unless you're just full of it as usual. Put up or shut, doggie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post

    Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
    And the point being? Because neither Reagan or the Bush Crime family or Dump have pushed any civil rights bills like LBJ, his prejudices and all...quite the opposite, the GOP in the last 30 years has moved to eliminate key points of Civil Rights legislation
    LBJ? ... the Vietnam warmonger? ... you have to go back 70 years to the time when repubs finally convinced dems to pass the CRA, to find something the dmes DID for Black Americans? Three times more Dems voted against the CRA than repubs.
    My, but you do scramble like a roach caught in the light when you're proven wrong on a point. I've highlighted the points in my previous statement THAT YOU CANNOT DENY OR DISPROVE. PERIOD.

    Oh, and for your education: The CRA (Community Reinvestment Act) was passed in 1977 during the Carter administration. Please show the reading audience where you got the notion that Dems overwhelmingly voted against it. We'll wait.
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