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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    WRONG. You cannot use cooked data in statistical math. No summary has been run yet! Circular argument fallacy. Math error: failure to select by randN. Preselection. Failure to use unbiased raw data.

    Inversion fallacy. It is YOU that is denying statistical math.
    One of the main things scientists do is process data. As long as they are transparent about what they have done, and did it reasonably, it is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    I think the Civil War settled the argument over whether the states can destroy America.
    The United States has never had a civil war. The so-called Civil War is actually a War of Secession. A civil war is when two or more factions attempt to seize power. The Southern Confederacy had left the Union. They were not trying to take over the Union. The States still retain to the right to secede. They still retain the right to destroy the Constitution and dissolve the federal government.
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    So in your fantasy, each state would decide an interpretation of the Constitution for itself.
    Yes...and they do. It is not a fantasy. The Constitution of the United States is not a fantasy.
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    What if there is a constitutional question of international power of the President?
    Void question. Try again. Be specific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    One of the main things scientists do is process data. As long as they are transparent about what they have done, and did it reasonably, it is fine.
    Science isn't data. Science isn't processing data. Science isn't scientists either. It is not people at all.

    Science is a set of falsifiable theories. That's it. That's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Science isn't data. Science isn't processing data. Science isn't scientists either. It is not people at all.

    Science is a set of falsifiable theories. That's it. That's all.
    Nope. Science is a set of theories that describe the world using observation and data. It is predictable, It adheres to all the knowledge available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Source? Your claim is utter bull crap.
    progressive shill ROE


    1. Demand a link or an explanation of the truth they are objecting to.

    2. Promptly reject all explanations as right wing lies. Smoke spin deflect

    3. Ignore any facts presented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post
    [SIZE=3]Another provably fake poll. This time, it's Quinnipac. They had to over-sample registered Democrats by 10% to manufacture their new claim about the child-molesting Alzheimer's patient now having "double-digit lead." They sampled 36% registered Democrats and 26% registered Republicans to make this happen.
    Polls over-sample Democrats because more people identify as Democrats than Republicans.

    "In Pew Research Center surveys conducted in 2017, 37% of registered voters identified as independents, 33% as Democrats and 26% as Republicans. When the partisan leanings of independents are taken into account, 50% either identify as Democrats or lean Democratic; 42% identify as Republicans or lean Republican."

    If they did not over-sample Democrats it would not be representative of the electorate. That is why the results were so close:

    RCP Average: Biden 51.2%
    Final Results: Biden 51.1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Nope. Science is a set of theories that describe the world using observation and data.
    Okay. I observe that you're an idiot. There is data supporting this in the form of your posts. It's proven that you're and idiot using the scientific method.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    It is predictable, It adheres to all the knowledge available.
    So science never increases understanding, right? It is some kind of magick crystal ball, right?

    You deny science. You deny mathematics. Science is not mathematics. Mathematics is not science. Science is an open functional system. It is a set of falsifiable theories. It does not use supporting evidence at all. It does not use consensus. Only religions use supporting evidence and consensus. Science has NO power of prediction. Theories of science explain, they do not predict. To gain the power of prediction, that theory MUST be transcribed into a closed functional system such as mathematics. The resulting equation is called a 'law' of science. If a theory is falsified, the 'law' goes with it. No theory is ever proven True. Ever.

    You deny mathematics, specifically statistical mathematics. You cannot use cooked data. You cannot select by anything other than by randN. You must justify and declare your variance and calculate the margin of error value, and that must accompany the summary. The raw data must be available. It must be published. It must be free of any biasing influences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Polls over-sample Democrats because more people identify as Democrats than Republicans.

    "In Pew Research Center surveys conducted in 2017, 37% of registered voters identified as independents, 33% as Democrats and 26% as Republicans. When the partisan leanings of independents are taken into account, 50% either identify as Democrats or lean Democratic; 42% identify as Republicans or lean Republican."

    If they did not over-sample Democrats it would not be representative of the electorate. That is why the results were so close:

    RCP Average: Biden 51.2%
    Final Results: Biden 51.1%
    Argument from randU fallacies. Polls are completely meaningless. Your statement about poll oversampling is completely meaningless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRUTALITOPS View Post
    that doesn't disprove weighting, idiot.
    Yes, being continuously wrong in the same direction while deliberately over-sampling Democrat voters...those two things can't POSSIBLY be connected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Weighting data is used all the time in statistics...
    Of course. But the pollsters keep humiliating themselves by deliberately misapplying this to skew the results the way they want them to go. Ever notice how all the "errors" NEVER benefit Republicans?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    I doubt you will ever accept the results.
    Being invalid and all, of course. No rational person would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    I think the Civil War settled the argument over whether the states can destroy America.
    "I punched you in the face, therefore I am proven right" fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Polls over-sample Democrats because more people identify as Democrats than Republicans.

    "In Pew Research Center surveys conducted in 2017, 37% of registered voters identified as independents, 33% as Democrats and 26% as Republicans. When the partisan leanings of independents are taken into account, 50% either identify as Democrats or lean Democratic; 42% identify as Republicans or lean Republican."

    If they did not over-sample Democrats it would not be representative of the electorate. That is why the results were so close:

    RCP Average: Biden 51.2%
    Final Results: Biden 51.1%
    1) Imagine that. When you ask more Democrats who you identify as, you get more Democrat responses.

    2) The polls matching the outcome with so much proven fraud demonstrates that they were wildly WRONG, dumb-ass (just like they were about the 'blue wave').


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post



    2) The polls matching the outcome with so much proven fraud demonstrates that they were wildly WRONG, dumb-ass (just like they were about the 'blue wave').

    That is nonsense. Are you claiming the fraud was able to know just how many votes were needed to make the final results match the polls even though they didn't know how many votes Biden got in other states or counties?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminius View Post


    1) Imagine that. When you ask more Democrats who you identify as, you get more Democrat responses.

    Exactly, because there are more Democrats as proven by the 7 million more votes won by Trump, winning the popular vote in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections, and winning a majority of the House and Senate.

    Blaming all that on "vote fraud" is only for those who believe Trump's many untrue claims.

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