Flynn’s Latest Legal Filing Could Backfire

[anatta]

Sidney Powell is spinning the court decision. Flynan has already been convicted. This hearing is whether to vacate the conviction not whether to convict him.

a plea of guilty can be accepted by the judge but
until the judge gives sentencing ruling from the bench ( "I find you guilty and..") the defendant is NOT convicted

Flynn's first lawyers were hardly corrupt. Flynn can't say that because he already under oath said he was happy with their services.

If not corrupt, then surely ineffective.
Flynn said a lot to back up his formal plea because he had to upon Sullivans questioning.
If he didnt -Sullivan would never have accepted the plea. it was the culmination of his railroading

[Concart]

pure lie.
Sullivan blurted out in courtroom that Flynn was a traitor - the judge had to apologize for it

It is my opinion. When someone in Flynn's position pursues a personal interest at the expense of the country, he is, IMHO a traitor. So is Trump by the way. If you don't like my opinion, I think you know what you can do.

[Frank Apisa]

No, Frank.

Without the original 302 whether Flynn lied to the court is moot. Because if the original 302 proves Flynn didn’t lie to the agents, then the prosecution are the LIARS and their case is dead, right there.

That also means the prosecution suborned perjury by blackmailing Flynn to get him to lie. Which is a very serious crime.

This is serious Nazi stuff, Frank.

Are you actually this fucking stupid, Darth.

I would have fought against anyone suggesting you were at one time...but now, I am the one suggesting it.

THERE IS NO WAY HE DID NOT LIE! LOGIC DICTATES THAT.

Flynn swore under oath that he DID LIE to the FBI.

If he did lie to the FBI...he is guilty of lying to the FBI...which is a crime.

If he did not lie to the FBI...he was lying under oath when he swore that he did.

So I ask again...are you actually this fucking stupid, Darth?

[anatta]

It is my opinion. When someone in Flynn's position pursues a personal interest at the expense of the country, he is, IMHO a traitor. So is Trump by the way. If you don't like my opinion, I think you know what you can do.

you make statements like that where EVEN A JUDGE HAD TO APOLOGIZE
then you don't want any criticism because it's "your opinion"

Doesn't work like that here. If you put it out there, expect to get comments/debate

[Concart]

you make statements like that where EVEN A JUDGE HAD TO APOLOGIZE
then you don't want any criticism because it's "your opinion"

Doesn't work like that here. If you put it out there, expect to get comments/debate

I'm not a judge, and I'm not apologizing. Flynn betrayed his country for personal gain. What would you call it?

[anatta]

I'm not a judge, and I'm not apologizing. Flynn betrayed his country for personal gain. What would you call it?

I'd call it a FARA violation -there are plenty of them and few are criminally prosecuted..

[Concart]

I'd call it a FARA violation -there are plenty of them and few are criminally prosecuted..

They are not all created equal. Not only was Flynn compromised by lying about his contacts with Russia, he was compromised by his undisclosed work for the Turkish Government. In addition, Flynn was involved in dealings to build nuclear reactors in Russia, and on the day Trump was inaugurated, Flynn was texting his partners that the project was 'good to go'. That would have required removing sanctions from an enemy of the United States. Flynn is a traitor. Your support for this traitor speaks volumes about your partisan blinders.

[Walt]

a plea of guilty can be accepted by the judge but until the judge gives sentencing ruling from the bench ( "I find you guilty and..") the defendant is NOT convicted

No, the sentencing is completely separate. The defendant is convicted when found guilty, and then the sentencing is the next phase.

[ExpressLane]

Maybe the solution here is the son should not have committed a crime to be prosecuted for?

Well no matter. Flynn has withdrawn the plea bargain. No jeopardy has been attached to his son, so at any time in the future his son can be prosecuted.

It was FARA and they had already decided Flynn had not violated FARA. Legal scholars say FARA is probably an unconstitutional law. No one has ever been successfully prosecuted for violating FARA. Flynn spent 6 million and had to sell his home defending himself. He probably wanted to spare his son from financial ruin.

[ExpressLane]

Ahhh...so you are finally acknowledging that Flynn lied.

That is what is being discussed.

Thank you for waking up.

Flynn's plea is defective and isn't legally binding.

[ExpressLane]

I'm not a judge, and I'm not apologizing. Flynn betrayed his country for personal gain. What would you call it?

What? When?

[ExpressLane]

Are you actually this fucking stupid, Darth.

I would have fought against anyone suggesting you were at one time...but now, I am the one suggesting it.

THERE IS NO WAY HE DID NOT LIE! LOGIC DICTATES THAT.

Flynn swore under oath that he DID LIE to the FBI.

If he did lie to the FBI...he is guilty of lying to the FBI...which is a crime.

If he did not lie to the FBI...he was lying under oath when he swore that he did.

So I ask again...are you actually this fucking stupid, Darth?

That plea is defective and not legally obtained.

[ExpressLane]

It is my opinion. When someone in Flynn's position pursues a personal interest at the expense of the country, he is, IMHO a traitor. So is Trump by the way. If you don't like my opinion, I think you know what you can do.

You mean like the Quid Pro Quo thar Biden did with a billion of our dollars in Ukraine?

[Darth Omar]

Are you actually this fucking stupid, Darth.

I would have fought against anyone suggesting you were at one time...but now, I am the one suggesting it.

THERE IS NO WAY HE DID NOT LIE! LOGIC DICTATES THAT.

Flynn swore under oath that he DID LIE to the FBI.

If he did lie to the FBI...he is guilty of lying to the FBI...which is a crime.

If he did not lie to the FBI...he was lying under oath when he swore that he did.

So I ask again...are you actually this fucking stupid, Darth?

Frank, you can be very thick lol.

Everything hinges on the original 302. If it was tampered with, anything that followed is irrelevant.

But how can we know whether it was tampered with when no one has it or knows where it is?

One question, Frank. What courtroom, this side of Berlin in the late 30’s, allows altered or tampered-with evidence to be considered admissible for the prosecution?

[Walt]

No one has ever been successfully prosecuted for violating FARA.

Well, that is not true. The Cuban 5 were successfully prosecuted for violations of FARA.